Feminism

[Sir Saladin]

Yeah, what the hell is going on? Germany is not Bavaria and America is no longer industrialized.

 

[Pruski]

I have another name for women, second class citizens.

 

[Úlfheðinn]

Oh, what wit and skill, truly sir, you are a comedian of the highest order.

 

[Oyipggy]

You could have at least chosen one of the jokes that's actually funny.

 

[Anthropoid]

More good news, this time from America:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/03/why-are-american-women-dying-childbirth-201438161633539780.html

Why are American women dying in childbirth?
Maternal mortality rates are falling in every industrialised nation - except for the United States.

The United States is not the first place that springs to mind when considering women dying in childbirth. So the fact that two American women die of pregnancy-related causes every day may come as a surprise.

According to the World Bank, The US ranks 50th in maternal mortality globally - falling behind every other industrialised nation. A woman in the US is as likely to suffer a maternal death as a woman in sanctions-hit Iran, and four times as likely as a woman in Germany.

"It is a preventable health issue," said Amnesty International's Rachel Ward. "It isn't something that we're waiting for a cure for. We’re waiting for political will."

What's worse is that US maternal mortality rates may actually be on the rise. Eugene Declercq, of Boston University's School of Public Health, produced a short film named Birth by the numbers, discussing maternal mortality in the US. In a 2013 follow-up report, he noted how mortality rates in other industrialised nations had declined - but in the US, it increased by 30 percent in the first decade of the new millennium.

In fact, black women in NYC have a worse maternal mortality rate than women in Syria and Iraq. White women, the demographic most likely to have positive birth outcomes, and more likely to have health insurance, still have worse indicators than their counterparts in 24 other industrialised countries.

So even though USA spends a **** ton of money, their rates are ****ty. Partly due to demographics, partly due to politics, partly due to medical reasons (unnecessary C-sections, lack of midwives), says Al-Jazeera.

Right, because Al Jazeera is such an excellent source for such topics 

United States overall (according to U.N.) 5.4/1000
Syria 15.02/1000
Iraq 34.59/1000

ADDIT: whoops left out the link.

Notice the consistent longitudinal pattern across all of the 'industrialized' countries?

"Maternal mortality rates are falling in every industrialised nation - except for the United States" = bull****.

Any idea what the patterning of actual causes of death are for perinatal mortality?

Any idea what the real difference between say, Finland at 2.8/1000, Belgum at 3.8/1000, Netherlands at 4.8 and U.S. at 5.4 really "means?"

One would assume that, if you are going to use these sorts of numbers to advocate for a particular "political will" then you'd be able to explicate what the real difference-in terms of real risk for specific causes of death, standardization error, and actionable interventions?

If those three extra infant deaths per 1000 thousand births per unit time of record keeping in the U.S. versus Finland are consistently a result of causes that are not amenable to acute primary care intervention administered in a maternal ward--but instead are result of "preventative" causes such as diabetes, obesity, pre-eclampsia, fetal alcohol syndrome, or adverse outcomes associated with smoking such as

adverse obstetrical outcomes including: spontaneous abortion (George et al., 2006), placenta previa (Chelmow et al., 1996; Faiz and Ananth, 2003; Hung et al., 2007), placental abruption (Ananth et al., 1999), preterm birth (Fantuzzi et al., 2007; Kolas et al., 2000), stillbirth (Hogberg and Cnattingius, 2007; Wisborg et al., 2001), fetal growth restriction (Hammoud et al., 2005; Nordentoft et al., 1996), low birth weight (Bernstein et al., 2005; Jaddoe et al., 200, and sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) (Mitchell and Milerad, 2006).

Then how much good will a Finnish style socialized medicine system, focused on providing coverage to 'uninsured' actually make?

No one is ever turned away for non-elective care for lack of insurance coverage, and I would be willing to wager a weeks salary that the excess infant mortality in the U.S. as a whole or in underprivileged communities such as African Americans, will be largely unchanged even after 10 years of the ACA working its magic.

It is possible, once they have it working, that the ACA _may_ facilitate a certain fraction of Americans getting routine examinations or non-critical care that they would otherwise not have pursued for fiscal reasons. But it remains to be seen what difference it will make.

 

[rebelsquirrell]

I've actually been working with a medical research company on techniques to reduce birthing deaths.

We've made a breakthrough:

Spoiler

 

[Anthropoid]

I've actually been working with a medical research company on techniques to reduce birthing deaths.

We've made a breakthrough:

Spoiler

Do they make you put on a shirt to go inside the building?

Spoiler

 

[Jhessail]

Anthropoid, pull your head out of your ass and actually read the article, then kindly edit your rant to fix the glaring errors in it.

Addendum: I love it that Pruski got so butthurt over little old me giving him a warning for spamming in the Finnish sub-forum, that he sought out a thread where I had recently posted, and wrote something he hoped would rustle my jimmies and twist my panties. Well, he'll be back tomorrow under a new alias.

 

[Lord Brutus]

I hope I didn't spoil your fun too much, Jhess. 

 

[sushimaster006]

No. Your fate is to suffer among the Turks. In Germany.

I have relatives in Bavaria. 

Shame that Bavaria is not considered part of Germany by Germans.

Oh, i take it you are german? Because if not please do not assume **** you have no idea of.

More good news, this time from America:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/03/why-are-american-women-dying-childbirth-201438161633539780.html

Why are American women dying in childbirth?
Maternal mortality rates are falling in every industrialised nation - except for the United States.

The United States is not the first place that springs to mind when considering women dying in childbirth. So the fact that two American women die of pregnancy-related causes every day may come as a surprise.

According to the World Bank, The US ranks 50th in maternal mortality globally - falling behind every other industrialised nation. A woman in the US is as likely to suffer a maternal death as a woman in sanctions-hit Iran, and four times as likely as a woman in Germany.

"It is a preventable health issue," said Amnesty International's Rachel Ward. "It isn't something that we're waiting for a cure for. We’re waiting for political will."

What's worse is that US maternal mortality rates may actually be on the rise. Eugene Declercq, of Boston University's School of Public Health, produced a short film named Birth by the numbers, discussing maternal mortality in the US. In a 2013 follow-up report, he noted how mortality rates in other industrialised nations had declined - but in the US, it increased by 30 percent in the first decade of the new millennium.

In fact, black women in NYC have a worse maternal mortality rate than women in Syria and Iraq. White women, the demographic most likely to have positive birth outcomes, and more likely to have health insurance, still have worse indicators than their counterparts in 24 other industrialised countries.

So even though USA spends a **** ton of money, their rates are ****ty. Partly due to demographics, partly due to politics, partly due to medical reasons (unnecessary C-sections, lack of midwives), says Al-Jazeera.

Typical feminist, please....stop trying....just stop for everyone's sake.

 

[Mage246]

Stop trying what? What is so offending you?

 

[sushimaster006]

Stop trying what? What is so offending you?

Feminism. I find feminism in general offensive against men. It's only reason to exist is to accuse men of everything wrong, somehow relating to women and it tries to achieve a better treatment for women and a worse for men.

Her Sources are pathetic and therefore has no solid backup for the "facts" she states as it is usual for feminists, as long as they can humiliate men.

I wouldn't say anything if someone would be reasonable and take care for both genders, to make sure both get treated equally, but favoring one gender is totally absurd.

The World needs more Humanists, and less Feminists.

 

[Evelyn]

Oh, i take it you are german? Because if not please do not assume **** you have no idea of.

Found the Bavarian

 

[sushimaster006]

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I do not believe Bavaria to be any different than the rest of germany, except for having a superior educational system. But seeing foreigners commenting stuff like that makes me angry. Bavaria IS germany, no matter what people say. I never felt Bavarian in my life, can't even identify myself with the culture, but i furthermore feel german.

 

[Austupaio]

@sushimaster; I totally agree, Jhessail should just shut up. I hate feminist. Those women who die in childbirth deserve it. America healthcare is best and does not have problem, if women weren't so weak it would not be a problem. Al-Jazeera is a dirty liberal source, is so ****.

 

[sushimaster006]

Bavarians are ungerman barbarians. Simple as that.

Lurk more.

As a little side note, my parents are Saxon, not Bavarian. Even though i do not agree with you one bit, let's just agree to disagree

@Austupaio

Woah, how do these women deserve it? No one deserves to die for that, and it has nothing to do with weakness.

BTW: America's Healthcare is far from perfect.

 

[Austupaio]

@Sushimaster; I was countering your post in a sarcastic light, to show that I found your stance quite ignorant.

While many feminists are completely over-the-top and care more about furthering than own ends rather than true equality, that's not a reason to dismiss the majority of the movement or it's supporters. In fact, it's rather a silly reason. If you oppose Feminism as being biased simply due to word's relation with feminine, well, oh well. Egalitarianism wouldn't catch on.

For that matter, Jhessail's post didn't have that much to do with feminism and certainly not unbalanced feminism, unless you think that a low mortality rate for child-birth is unfair to men somehow.

I find the particular issue, the mortality rate, really more of a showing of how flawed the U.S.'s healthcare standards really are than being related to feminism in any particular way.

Further, you use 'her sources are ****' as an off-hand discrediting move, which is rather retarded in this case as Al-Jazeera and Al-Jazeera's sources in this instance are solid. No one is faking child-birth statistics.

 

[rebelsquirrell]

Its just terrorist sympathizers trying to scare us into believing that the birthing deaths are the result of vaginamite.

 

[Jhessail]

So, instead of actually reading the article, Anthropoid sent me an PM. I wanted to avoid the humiliation of pointing out his errors, but since he insists:

Right, because Al Jazeera is such an excellent source for such topics
Better than CNN or Fox, because they actually reference their sources.

United States overall (according to U.N.) 5.4/1000
Syria 15.02/1000
Iraq 34.59/1000

Note that the article said, and I even bolded this part, that BLACK WOMEN LIVING IN NEW YOUR CITY, have a worse mortality rate than women in Syria and Iraq. Not all American women. How you missed it both in the article, and in my post, I'll never know.

Any idea what the patterning of actual causes of death are for perinatal mortality?

The article, if you had bothered to read it, actually lists quite a number of reasons, which include things like higher average age for first-time mothers, obesity rates, but also lack of healthcare, quality of healthcare, and lack of midwives.

No one is ever turned away for non-elective care for lack of insurance coverage

Which wasn't the point at all, which you would have known if you had read the article, but that the lack of health insurance, combined with the lack of midwives, means that mothers do not get sufficient pre-birth and post-birth checkups. The article points out how in many European countries, the mother visits a healthcare specialist several times during pregnancy, and after giving birth, or that a midwife pays a house call to them. Going to the emergency room is not cost-effective, and people usually do it only when they think that there's an real emergency - but a internal bleeding resulting from a tear in uterus might not even show up, and the mother thinks that her illness and tiredness is from giving birth. The article even has a case, that happened in NYC, where a young mother died because of that.

And ACA is a joke, thanks to GOP watering it down almost completely. But hey, it doesn't matter if part of your citizenry dies from easily preventable reasons, as long as you can beat your chest for the success of your ideology. So yes, I'm entirely justified in telling you to pull your head out of your ass. And how is that a sexist remark in the first place? It's entirely gender neutral!



Sushimaster, why don't you drop your Internet tough guy act. I'm pretty sure you don't talk to your mother like that. You also might want to actually learn a little about feminism as a movement, it's goals and aims, instead of proudly displaying your ignorance to us. Also, thank Lord Brutus.

 

[Wellenbrecher]

Bavaria IS germany, no matter what people say. I never felt Bavarian in my life, can't even identify myself with the culture, but i furthermore feel german.

Nah.
They don't want to be and nobody else wants them to be either.