Is that all? I was looking for a pointy helmet like this. It looks awesome imo.
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That's all for now. That one on the image i think is Khuzait helmet, it is under Khuzait culture armors if i remember correctly.
Many factions have troops that use mixed cultural equipment and armor, and it's fine by me since the nomenclature is only formal, as long as there aren't too many overlaps.
Many factions have troops that use mixed cultural equipment and armor, and it's fine by me since the nomenclature is only formal, as long as there aren't too many overlaps.
are you sure its khuzaits, because i just checked and the stugia cav is wearing the same helmet. I would feel very sad if this helmet belongs to stugia instead of aserai.
Some aesthetics that accurate with their respective armor values of classes
Vlandia
(arbelist) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXwkcP.png
(sergeant) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXxFuG.png (improved armoured variation is the same with the original)
(peasant levy with improved armor) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXyske.png
(vanguard) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXxjdB.png (with improved armor) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXzd3W.png
(voulgier) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXydua.png (with improved armor) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXzz6c.png
Empire
(menavlion infantry) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXABkG.png (with improved armor) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXAXUK.png
(courser with improved armor) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXCrwq.png (normal version is the same with the original)
Vlandia
(arbelist) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXwkcP.png
(sergeant) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXxFuG.png (improved armoured variation is the same with the original)
(peasant levy with improved armor) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXyske.png
(vanguard) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXxjdB.png (with improved armor) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXzd3W.png
(voulgier) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXydua.png (with improved armor) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXzz6c.png
Empire
(menavlion infantry) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXABkG.png (with improved armor) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXAXUK.png
(courser with improved armor) ---> https://pasteboard.co/IXXCrwq.png (normal version is the same with the original)
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Very nice, I really like the carolingian look on the vanguard. I just wish TW made more of Vlandia's aesthetics based on the carolingians and early normans rather than the current 12th-13th century look.
Glad you liked it
I thought those vanguard scale armor and carolingian period cabasset fits perfect together to reflect carolingian looks. If only there were mail scale armor for vlandia to cover improved armor variation of vanguard like this
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Really love these! The vanguard look a lot better in your redesign.
Glad you liked it
+1 on that.
Carolingan/early Norman aesthetics feels far more consistent with the rest of the universe for Vlandia than later medieval design they have now.
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But the game takes place in 11th century, when the castles and feudalism are at their beginning. During Carolingian era, the castles were not exist though. If Carolingian era would be implemented to whole Vlandia, that creates inconsistency in the game. In addition, the current armors of Bannerlord are not the late inventions of medieval. "The kettle hats were first produced in England around 1011, is a type of helmet made of steel in the shape of a brimmed hat. The Kettle hats were very popular with foot soldiers in Central Europe during the 10th and 15th century.". And, the early full helm, which knights and sergeants are using, was very popular among military part of nobility during that period. However, it will be no harm to see some Carolingian influenced armors in Vlandia.
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Suely You have a point but perhaps it would be more precise to say "game lore is inspired by XIth century".
Anyway- just feel that Vlandians (or better Vlandia foot soldiers) looks a bit to "modern" - especially kettle helms You mentioned- used in great numbers for arbalists and sharpshooters just give the impression of later medieval inspiration in fraction appearance design. Attaching art of one and only Angus McBride - surely quoted on this forum quite often- with Normano/Italain auxiliary crossbowman - maybe a little bit less hackneyed than the "kettle helm gang" as inspiration. If it comes to the Vlandian cavalry imho it "feels" much better than foot units. The high nasal and full helmets seems to fit the aesthetics well.
Like You wrote- It's not about "making them carolingan- just adding some carolinian armor elements should do no harm.
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I agree with you, Arbelists due to their armor values (3) and of course you said it was rare in that period, they shouldn't use kettle hat while I'm not against using it on sharpshooter since they are elite unit. Arming cap which I presented above on arbalest will be more appropriate head gear for arbelists.Suely You have a point but perhaps it would be more precise to say "game lore is inspired by XIth century".
Anyway- just feel that Vlandians (or better Vlandia foot soldiers) looks a bit to "modern" - especially kettle helms You mentioned- used in great numbers for arbalists and sharpshooters just give the impression of later medieval inspiration in fraction appearance design. Attaching art of one and only Angus McBride - surely quoted on this forum quite often- with Normano/Italain auxiliary crossbowman - maybe a little bit hackneyed than the "kettle helm gang" as inspiration. If it comes to the Vlandian cavalry imho it "feels" much better than foot units. The high nasal and full helmets seems to fit the aesthetics well.
Your redesigns are really interesting Falwick giving to Vlandia a more ancient "dark age" look.
At the time of Caroligians there was castles but it was fedoal clods (indeed it was not castles like we imagine them now), but more a wood tower on hill or clod with wooden palissade. Those castles have been built to protect from Viking raids. And some cities had remain of Roman walls or wood walls.
Frankish morion style helmet could be a nice replacer for kettle helmet which are more late 12th - 13th century.
At the time of Caroligians there was castles but it was fedoal clods (indeed it was not castles like we imagine them now), but more a wood tower on hill or clod with wooden palissade. Those castles have been built to protect from Viking raids. And some cities had remain of Roman walls or wood walls.
Frankish morion style helmet could be a nice replacer for kettle helmet which are more late 12th - 13th century.
Some very nice ideas @Falwick.
And I totally agree with you guys, it's a pitty that the Vlandians got this 13th century style instead of something more based on the 8th-11th century period by which Bannerlord is supposed to be inspired.
Currently, apart from the shields, there is very few that is inspired by 10th-11th century Normans among the Vlandian MP classes. Instead, they have a striking late 12th to 14th century Western European style, with those masked helmets (appearing in the mid 12th century), early flat-topped enclosed helms (circa 1200), kettle helmets (based on 13th-14th c. models), flat-topped shields (late 12th century), coat of plates (13th century), heraldic surcoats (2nd half 12th century), thick gambesons, etc. Even their high nasal helmets made of one piece are of a late 12th century style. I won't even mention the weapons, which have literally nothing to do with the 8th-11th centuries and the Normans.
But it's not only a matter of chronology:
And I totally agree with you guys, it's a pitty that the Vlandians got this 13th century style instead of something more based on the 8th-11th century period by which Bannerlord is supposed to be inspired.
Currently, apart from the shields, there is very few that is inspired by 10th-11th century Normans among the Vlandian MP classes. Instead, they have a striking late 12th to 14th century Western European style, with those masked helmets (appearing in the mid 12th century), early flat-topped enclosed helms (circa 1200), kettle helmets (based on 13th-14th c. models), flat-topped shields (late 12th century), coat of plates (13th century), heraldic surcoats (2nd half 12th century), thick gambesons, etc. Even their high nasal helmets made of one piece are of a late 12th century style. I won't even mention the weapons, which have literally nothing to do with the 8th-11th centuries and the Normans.
But it's not only a matter of chronology:
- This 13th centurish style is not original
- It's almost the same as Warband's Swadians
- It does not suit Bannerlord atmosphere and aesthetics well
- Items are often badly designed and ugly
@Al_Mansur Honestly, I'd like to see those redesigns, really. I want to remind you again that Taleworlds makes its own decisions and has its own criteria; however sometimes it does not match ours.
Having said that, one problem when it comes to configuring armor is that it has to be adapted to the protection value assigned. In other words, we can have a nice helmet or torso for a particular unit and be discarded because it is more or less armoured.
Having said that, one problem when it comes to configuring armor is that it has to be adapted to the protection value assigned. In other words, we can have a nice helmet or torso for a particular unit and be discarded because it is more or less armoured.
@buckshot_luck you might find some inspiration for your art in the OP here
This is something I always keep in mind when redesigning the classes. It often leads me to invent stuffs that didn't exist historically but match both the global aesthetics of the period and the initial protection value.
Here is an example of something that came to my mind to replace the gruesome mail-reinforced boots of the improved vanguard armor:
This design is not historically attested, but I think it perfectly matches the game.
I'll try to post at least some of my redesigned classes tonight, but they won't be as beautiful as your pictures and thus perhaps less striking whatever the relevance of the ideas.
Luckily there is an alternative already in the game that you might see as fitting, not exactly as you proposed, but close enough imo
You can find them and others in the 2nd post of this thread, in the excel tabels download links with extracted Bannerlord armor meshes.
This is not a competition, so don`t worry about the quality of presentation, the idea is what matters, share them freely.
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Not working even after downloading? Strange.
Anyways, thanks to MisterOutofTime , we now have mpitems names and images. Although not including spitems armors and not categories per faction, this is the best wholesome fan-made gallery we have.
Anyways, thanks to MisterOutofTime , we now have mpitems names and images. Although not including spitems armors and not categories per faction, this is the best wholesome fan-made gallery we have.
Luckily there is an alternative already in the game that you might see as fitting, not exactly as you proposed, but close enough imo
You can find them and others in the 2nd post of this thread, in the excel tabels download links with extracted Bannerlord armor meshes.
This is not a competition, so don`t worry about the quality of presentation, the idea is what matters, share them freely.
Nice! Though a little bit too different from my idea, it could fit some other classes well.
Btw, I totally agree with what you said in a previous post concerning leather armors. And luckily, 19th-20th century historians erroneously interpreted a lot of protections depicted in medieval artwork as leather armors. Since that time their ideas have been proved to be historically inaccurate.. but they would still perfectly suit the low fantasy/realistic fictional world Calradia is, all the more as they were mainly interpreted from Norman era sources like the Bayeux Tapestry. Here a figurine based on these old interpretations:
Btw here is my idea for the Vlandian knight:
I'll detail and explain it later in a post with all the classes, this is just to show the ugly format my lack of time forces me to use. Is it enough clear for you?
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