You mean because we didn't win ? We went for it. We had so many trainings lined up with rm and dm. Then the game broke. I don't know exactly what you mean why we thought we would deserve? Not to mention that our first 2 games were rm and dm. We very likely would have stayed for the next season if the game didn't break.No offense but last time your newly formed team basically quit Div A once they realized they wouldnt get the results they thought they would get/deserve
If you read my whole post you'd see that that is not my favorite proposal.What should we do then? Revert back to 6 teams and then back to seven once a new team decides to show up and demands a Div A spot.
---dogma
We all have some kind of a principe. For example im coming from a principle of inovation and adaptation to our situation.For DR this is a matter of principle and we are probably hated for it. That is oke though.
Quick question: Why is it that almost every season a new team is formed and every time there is this discussion?
Deep thoughts!But so what? Deserving should depend on skill, not on grind.
Deserving has been done by individual players who have become skilled enough to deserve their spot as a team.
Not by a team of players that haven't put the time or effort the become as skilled - but instead just grinded their way into a division in which they have no chances of getting even 3rd spot. (Making them just some kind of a race for the best players to boost their stats so they can have higher score on aprikosenmanns excel spread sheet..)
So basically: A new team that is strong enough for a certain division challenges the weakest team. Who wins gets the spot. (This is in-between the BEAST seasons)
I would say BEAST must become... D Y N A M I C.A long-term solution. And please if someone has a better one i'd love to hear it.
Your team disbanded once you lost to a team you guys thought were beneath you.You mean because we didn't win ? We went for it. We had so many trainings lined up with rm and dm. Then the game broke. I don't know exactly what you mean why we thought we would deserve? Not to mention that our first 2 games were rm and dm. We very likely would have stayed for the next season if the game didn't break.
I get this but your system needs to be more detailed because then teams could just endlessly challenge other teams. Plus you need more admins for this and stretches out the playing time even longer.Because if this kind of thing happens again then there would be an easy solution for it. "challenger" ,or whatever it may be called, event.
I mean AE played in one of the lowest divisions and they didnt throw a tantrum.Though if new potential top skill teams see this mess right now they might be very discuraged to even try.
We all have some kind of a principe. For example im coming from a principle of inovation and adaptation to our situation.
And i'd assume you're alluding to principles of continuation of a pattern for the sake of convinience or something simmilar to that.
I personally have a problem with that because while I like playing this game I have other stuff going on too and 7 weeks of sccrims etc takes up to much time and for particulary this case the last 2-3 weeks would fall into my vacation thus making me not able to help my team.Show me the person that actually has a problem with an extra week or 2 (Considering a BL update doesn't break the game).
We have decided to stop playing the second the game became unplayable. If you think that we decided to disband only after we lost that DR match, then you're wrong there.Your team disbanded once you lost to a team you guys thought were beneath you.
...let me reiterate...
3 of your players quit during an active match while raging and throwing a **** show afterwards. And now the same players are back and demand a spot they gave up 3-4 months ago.
There is obviously a need for some common sense in these challenges. First only newly formed teams would challenge. 2nd if a team is obviously too weak to challenge they can be denied. And the playing time is only a single game inbetween beasts for only the challenger and the bottom team that is getting challenged.I get this but your system needs to be more detailed because then teams could just endlessly challenge other teams. Plus you need more admins for this and stretches out the playing time even longer.
I would guess that most teams need the break in between the BEAST seasons.
And who wants to be an admin for such a challenger tournament now when you get constantly insulted by certain people from a certain team. You wouldnt, I wouldnt and the BEAST admins understandably dont want to either.
Admins getting insulted is wrong. And i do not agree with such behaviour.Oh yes it is for sake of convenience because the admins do this for free and they get bombarded with insults, unnecessary long "innovations" which have already been "innovations"invented.You just dont like the rules becausethey dont give in to your demands
Well i guess the first idea that came to my is what i wrote. It goes something like: The challenger team fights against the weakest team in div A and then for them to get their spot in that division they need to win at least 12-4(a stomp). Would be simpler than making half of the division play non-stop.You should play with the 3 worst teams, and if you win at least 2 out of 3 matches, you are allowed to be in division A.
I mean this game can be played at any time in-between signups open and close. Should be enough time for both teams to gather for 1 event.That removes the possibility of one's team being dropped because of one slip/bad day/style-incompatible match/important player missing.
Are you speaking in general, or are you saying there is a division B team that can beat WHEE ?Style makes a fight, If you are a new team and you win against team A, and team A wins against team B, it does not mean you would win against team B.
I did not mean divisions when I talk team A/B, it is just the hyphotetical name of the team.Are you speaking in general, or are you saying there is a division B team that can beat WHEE ?
What if you stomp the team X 12-0 and then team X beats team Y?Style makes a fight, If you are a new team and you win against team X (from div A), and team X wins against team Y (from div A), it does not mean you would win against team Y.
Of course they might, but it does not prove the case.What if you stomp the team X 12-0 and then team X beats team Y?
The chances do go up considerably i'd say
But could any non div A team beat the weakest div A team with such a large score difference ? I mean there is a good chance that the weakest div A team is just a div B team that got promoted last season.Of course they might, but it does not prove the case.
On a good day, a few teams from div B could probably beat the worst team from div A. But it should not give them a straight-up right to replace them. That is why multiple matches are played against different teams in all divisions. To cut down the random events/factors.
I agree that there should be a way for that WHEE team to join Division A, but it should be done in a way to make sure that these random factors are reduced as much as possible. I don't think only one match against the worst team is enough even if it is "EZ 12-0".
I guess when we moved from 8 to 6 teams per division we made made the spots on div A rare.
Still for a new team to start in B is quite high and more than enough to place a new team.
I think placing a new team to A is a mistake.
There is no one stopping any teams from challenging RM or DM.
But if you want to do it within the structure of the tournament you need to follow the tournaments rules.