Feminism

[Elbromas]

I think people need to cool off a bit though. You don't keep new people around by being mean to them.

Yes I know, I usually agree with this but im used to Twitter/Facebook where people just use it to reaffirm their opinions with likes and favs instead of learning stuff, in those cases the only way to learn is in real life with someone patient, I didn't thought things were going to be more civilized here lol. (I didn't read the other 400 pages though)

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

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[BenKenobi]

You can also have an agenda where you choose not to see indirect discrimination anywhere. What's your point?
I am ciriticising the concept of "equality under the law" because a lot of people stop at voting equality and assume any further attempts to make things fairer in real terms is overreaching.

I agree with you. Actually, indirect discrimination as a concept should be one of the top priorities to teach at schools since many people fail to grasp the concept at all. My point is, however, that a mere indirectly discriminatory effect of a measure is not and should not be in itself a sole reason for disqualification of the measure in question simply because it is actually quite hard to find a measure that is not indirectly discriminatory in some way towards some groups.

My main issue with (most) internet debates involving discrimination is that one side usually focuses purely on whether the measure is discriminatory or has a negative impact on someone, as the only metric, while the other side ends with whether the measure serves some purpose. In your example - unless you also talk about why sunscreen was banned in the first place, you cannot even say that the whole apartheid state thing is bad (unnecessary). If you go either through your legislation or through your society and mark all the instances where someone gets discriminated, you end up with a list that may be interesting, but is essentially meaningless.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

It was a silly hypothetical and I even suffixed it with the fact that it was a silly hypothetical. If I knew you were going to take it seriously I probably would have come up with one which wasn't as superficial and oversimplified.

I don't disagree with you either, I'm just not sure what you're trying to do here. Dissertation withdrawals?

 

[Emil]

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The belief system every involuntary celibate has. ?

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Also the term is misleading as they wouldn't have any problem with dating if they didn't have any issues with other people having basic human rights. Thus they're voluntary celibates. ?

 

[Elbromas]

Are you saying I wont randomly bump into a cute hot girl, making me drop my books, one of them being a manga of Naruto Shippuden, and then she would pick it up and make a *that weird thing they do with their hands in naruto to make powers*, making us both laugh, falling instantly in love and satisfying all my man child needs like cleaning my room, cooking me food and also satisfying my weird pleasures related to hentai and making hot cosplays for the rest of my life??? Are you saying that the universe wont give me what I deserve?????

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

You laugh but I personally know at least 3 people who are in relationships exactly like that.

 

[Elbromas]

I cant imagine enslaving myself to a full time gamer and washing their gamer sweat clothes

 

[crodio]

if you can't imagine that then how did come up with that answer? how can you type somethig you havent imagined? i think you probaby can indeed imagine that if you aren't actually doing it right now. lier

 

[kurczak]

Jacob plz start using sunscreen. Black people get skin cancer too.

 

[Elbromas]

if you can't imagine that then how did come up with that answer? how can you type somethig you havent imagined? i think you probaby can indeed imagine that if you aren't actually doing it right now. lier

I think on penis all the time, its like a big ad wall in my conciousness, the other part of my mind acts separately

 

[Flin Flon]

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Thank you for giving me a response I can actually learn from. The main reason I have the opinion of 'Classical' femenists on one side and the radicals on the other in such a black and white view is mainly because I only see information regarding one or the other in a super-imposed limelight. I am also well aware that law alone won't cause things to become truly fair overnight, and I was more talking in the sense of that treatment and respect coming from peoples personal opinions on the matter.

But once again, thank you for responding in a way I can learn something more about the subject from, and can hopefully understand the topic far better than I already do.

Well, that was ****ing wholesome.

 

[Flin Flon]

It was a silly hypothetical and I even suffixed it with the fact that it was a silly hypothetical. If I knew you were going to take it seriously I probably would have come up with one which wasn't as superficial and oversimplified.

I don't disagree with you either, I'm just not sure what you're trying to do here. Dissertation withdrawals?

I think Ben is saying, in a Ben fashion, that we need discriminatory policies to address issues prominent among a particular ethnic/religious/whatever group. E.g.: You'll have to discriminate on class/income to address poverty. Which is a good point to think about when you're talking to reactionaries or people not that familiar with the discussion. For example, someone can cry 'hypocrisy!' when we're discussing affirmative action (a form of discrimination). It's a common talking point, right? In that case, it's good to point out that discrimination is just a word (or form of organization), and not bad in and of itself. In the end, the desired outcome is not the elimination of discrimination per se, but that everyone has an equal opportunity to a good life.

Edit: But I thought your post was gucci af. The above point is just a side-thought.

 

[Jhessail]

But once again, thank you for responding in a way I can learn something more about the subject from, and can hopefully understand the topic far better than I already do.

If you really want to move outside your comfort zone and learn more about feminism and lot of other stuff in an entertaining manner, I'd recommend ContraPoints on Youtube.

 

[Nizzap]

I DO NOT LIKE WOMEN

 

[Antonis]

 

[Nizzap]

****, THATS MY COUSIN AND UNCLE

 

[AmateurHetman]

Jacob plz start using sunscreen. Black people get skin cancer too.

I was going to say the same thing.

 

[Abraxium]

His feet too damn ashy!

Do I always have to add my mustard? I do, as I am new and people have to form an opinion on me. Imagine having such a bland personality that people don´t judge you or form some sort of opinion of you, be it good or bad.[1.]
I do not necessary feel the need to advertise that I am a feminist, the same applies to me being an anti-racist, many people might think that´s because "oh, only antifa openly proclaims that they are anti-racists/only radical feminists use the label feminists." but that´s not the case. Feminism is an umbrella term that includes many branches and understandings, which is often misused by opponents of the ideology to discredit the movement. Very much like socialism/communism. In any case, I do not label myself as such because it is part of my core values and ideas, right next to democracy and human rights. If you´d quiz me on the issue, the end result would most likely always that I am one, and I am fine with the label. I don´t prefer to be called egalitarian or whatever, it´s all the same to me. (There´s probably a lot of gatekeepers out there, but hey, what is an ideology without the no true Scotsman fallacy?) But as the ideological development of Europe and the whole western world has changed dramatically in the recent 15 years, maybe it is time to do so.
But hey, just for the record, I am a feminist, anti-racist, human rights promoter and an avid supporter of democracy.

Sources;
[1.] Cheffy´s Philosophical Works.

 

[Evelyn]

ok