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[Al_Mansur]

Thanks a lot matmohair1, I didn't know some of these drawings. But I notice something weird : on the Cantigas illustrations, the crested great helms that David Nicolle identify as Andalusian appear to be worn by warriors who are in the middle of Christian armies:

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So do they represent Andalusian mercenaries or is it a mistake from David Nicolle ? The last possibility would be so disappointing.

 

[matmohair1]

- http://cantigas.webcindario.com/cantigas/indicecantigas.htm

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regarding the moors within the Spanish army, they could be mercenaries, allies or even converts

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these illustrations depict the clash between the armies of Al Hajib Al Mansur & Don Gracia
who seems to be facing them in the first panel

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Arms & Armour in Spain: A Short Survey
By Ada Bruhn de Hoffmeyer

- http://books.google.ae/books?id=QmQFYZSMs-EC&pg=PA158&lpg=PA158&dq=moorish+greathelms&source=bl&ots=oui9VkkWYg&sig=bNZ4drH6X6wgq8fijEKR1DgrzDE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eB5VT52JCMj48QPw6bzvBQ&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=moorish%20greathelms&f=false

 

[Al_Mansur]

Thanks again, the book is awesome. When you look at the illustrations representing a fight between Al Mansur and Don Garcia, you see that the pink banner of the army in the first pic (with crested great helm) is the same that the one worn by the Christians in the pic of the battle. So I don't know. However I have another illustration of Las Cantigas, where we can see a crested great helm in the middle of a Muslim army:

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In all the other illustrations, great helms worn by Muslims or soldiers among Muslim soldiers are normal great helms, without any crest.

 

[kuauik]

i think it is normal that some lords born in multicultural society like in Iberia,sided with muslims but used european style equipment,El cid fought for both sides for instance

 

[Druzhina]

The Knight in the zig-zag black and white livery is not Don Garcia. He is the unnamed "knight who missed the battlle" but Santa Maria made it appear that he was in the battle.  Don Garcia is the figure the knight is bowing to in the 1st panel of Cantiga 63.

The following links include the stories portrayed in the Cantigas:

Military Illustrations of Castillian, Andalusians & Moors from the Cantigas de Santa Maria, c.1284
"The Cantigas de Santa Maria is one of the most notable literary productions of the court of Alfonso X. The Cantigas consist of more than four hundred poems set to music extolling the virtues of the Virgin Mary, and many of the poems derive from events of Alfonso's reign. While the poems were written in 1280, before the illustrations, which were completed on or around 1284, the illustrations have drawn scholars into a world of crosscultural references and literary parallels."
  Full Pages from the Cantigas de Santa Maria
Including larger pictures:

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Cantiga 12 featuring a mob with swords & falchions
Cantiga 22 featuring unarmoured Spanish spearmen
Cantiga 28 featuring a siege of Constantinople
Cantiga 33 featuring Spanish ships and boats
Cantiga 35a & 35b featuring ships & soldiers in galeases
Cantiga 46 Moors, conversion to christianity
Cantiga 63 featuring soldiers in zig-zag livery
Cantiga 95a featuring mouros in galleys
Cantiga 95b featuring moors in galleys and unarmoured spearmen
Cantiga 99 featuring moorish troops
Cantiga 119 featuring spearmen, demons & angels
Cantiga 126 featuring crossbows
Cantiga 165a featuring muslim cavalry, & armoured infantry
Cantiga 165b featuring muslim cavalry, mounted drummers & trumpeters
Cantiga 181 A Moroccan army is defeated by another
Cantiga 185 featuring unarmoured spearmen, plotting & immolation
Cantiga 187a featuring Granadine cavalry
Cantiga 187b featuring Granadine cavalry & infantry
Pages from: codex Florencia Ms Banco Rari 20
Cantiga CSM 205 featuring Military Order troops
Cantiga CSM 207 featuring a knight in armour
Cantiga CSM 235 featuring Castilian cavalry
Cantiga CSM 245 featuring bandits
Cantiga CSM 256 featuring Granadine crossbowmen
Cantiga CSM 299 featuring the Order of the Star

Extra Individual Panels from the Cantigas

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Military Illustrations of Spanish, Andalusians & Moors from the Cantigas de Santa Maria, c.1284

Here is a list of illustrations from Las Cantigas de Santa Maria on non military subjects from manuscript MSTI1:

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Cantiga 7: Pregnant Abbess
Cantiga 9: Icon of Sardonay
Cantiga 18: Silkworms that Wove Veils
Cantiga 27: Image that Appeared in a Synagogue
Cantiga 29: The Images of the Virgin Mary at Gethsemane
Cantiga 34: Desecrated Image of the Virgin
Cantiga 45: Wicked Knight who Built a Monastery
Cantiga 47: Devil who Appeared in the Shape of Three Beasts
Cantiga 52: Mountain Goats that Gave Milk to the Monks of Montserrat
Cantiga 59: Nun who was Slapped by a Crucifix
Cantiga 64: Woman who could not Remove her Slipper
Cantiga 67: Man who had the Devil as his Servant
Cantiga 76: Image of the Christ Child that was Held for Ransom
Cantiga 87: Geronimo is Made Bishop of Pavia
Cantiga 100: Cantiga de loor
Cantiga 110: Cantiga de loor
Cantiga 120: Cantiga de loor
Cantiga 136: Gambling Woman who Threw a Stone at a Statue of the Virgin
Cantiga 149: German Priest who Doubted the Sacrament
Cantiga 162: Statue that Moved to the High Altar
Cantiga 166: Lame Man Healed at Salas
Cantiga 172: Pilgrims Bound for Acre who Survived a Storm
Cantiga 188: Image that was Found in a Young Girl’s Heart

Every 10th cantiga is a 'Cantiga de loor' (musical interlude) without a set story. Every 10th cantiga starting with No. 5 is a double page composition.

Mirror site:
illustrations from Las Cantigas de Santa Maria on non military subjects from manuscript MSTI1:[/b]

So that people can find illustrations from the Cantigas de Santa Maria, or identify to which cantiga a panel belongs, I have gathered the Illuminations from codex Florencia Manuscript Banco Rari 2 (CSM 201-234), Page 2 (CSM 235-265), Page 3 (CSM 266-299) & Page 4 (CSM 301-40.  This has medium size images of nearly all the illuminations of this manuscript (unfortunately all have the Oronoz watermark) except those that have only a framework for an illumination (The Florencia codex is unfinished) and codex MS T.I. 1 (Códice Rico), Page 2, Page 3, Page 4, Page 5, Page 6, Page 7, Page 8, Page 9 & Page 10
They include some links to images of individual panels.

Druzhina
Illustrations of Soldiers

 

[Druzhina]

Thanks a lot matmohair1, I didn't know some of these drawings. But I notice something weird : on the Cantigas illustrations, the crested great helms that David Nicolle identify as Andalusian appear to be worn by warriors who are in the middle of Christian armies:
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So do they represent Andalusian mercenaries or is it a mistake from David Nicolle ? The last possibility would be so disappointing.

Nicolle says in the extract posted above that the Christians and Andalusians shared a lot in common. This could include helmet types. 
By calling the crested helmet Andalusian it infers that they invented the type and the Christians may have copied them. Nicolle would only be 'wrong' if the Christians invented them and the Andalusians copied.

See Panel 5 of Cantiga 187 for a different version of the helmet.

Druzhina
sites of wargaming interest

 

[matmohair1]

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[Al_Mansur]

Thanks guys.

@ Druzhina, D. Nicolle does not only say that the crested helmet is of Andalusian origin (which is certainly true as in the Cantigas it is 1000times more common among Andalusians than among Christians, and as there is perhaps earlier representation of this kind of helmets in late 12th and late 10th century art), he says that the knight with the red crested great helm in the middle of the Christian army before the battle against Al Mansur "can be identified as an Andalusian warrior".
Otherwise, you site is really awesome

 

[matmohair1]

The Knight in the zig-zag black and white livery is not Don Garcia. He is the unnamed "knight who missed the battlle" but Santa Maria made it appear that he was in the battle.  Don Garcia is the figure the knight is bowing to in the 1st panel of Cantiga 63.

so that explains it, I got the illustration from a Russian website then used Google translate
which wasn't much help & misread it - it probably might have said "knight in the army of Don Garcia" afterall !
thanks for the help, your site is really amazing

btw, his banner looks quite similar to this Moorish example, White with dark blue zig zags

& here are some more references

horses

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Almogavars & other Spanish troops

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[Al_Mansur]

Thanks, it is great. I particularly like the Cantiga 187b. It shows many interesting stuffs:
This great helm without cross reinforcement is unique in Las Cantigas:

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In the following panel, we can see two heater shields, one worn by a Muslim and the other by a Christian defender, which rare:

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And in this panel, we can see a hauberk whose pourpoint hasnt' sleeves, which is rather rare too:

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Another interesting stuff is found in Cantiga 256, panel 2:

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I thought adargas like that (non-heart-shaped) appeared during the 14th century,, but this prooves that they already existed in the 13th century.

 

[Druzhina]

Al Mansur,

You may see the pictures but others will not.
The pictures only show if they are in your computer's cache (after visiting the site), as this server does not allow hot-linking.
You are better off posting links rather than images.

Druzhina
sites of wargaming interest

 

[Ulrich von Liechtenstein]

Al_Mansur master !

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[Al_Mansur]

Druzhina, thanks again.

Ulrich von Liechtenstein, glad you like it, but unfortunately I didn't know that churches were turned to the east when I did these city models
I'll probably put the icons in the right sense and re-upload them.

 

[Life_Erikson]

Druzhina, thanks again.

Ulrich von Liechtenstein, glad you like it, but unfortunately I didn't know that churches were turned to the east when I did these city models
I'll probably put the icons in the right sense and re-upload them.

What is wrong with churches facing east?

 

[Al_Mansur]

By medieval times, churches should face east. But the churches of my city icons don't, because I didn't know it when I made them.

 

[Druzhina]

You may be interested in:
The murals of the Conquesta de Mallorca, 1285-1290
The city & fortifications
Detail of the fortifications & defenders
The Aragonese camp
A 'blackamoor' hurled from the battlements as the Aragonese capture Mallorca
Detail of the camp and knights
Moors in combat
Moors riding out to war beneath their characteristic war flags.
Moorish armoured cavalryman, banner and trumpeters
A moor.
William II of Baern & Moncada at the Battle of Portopi
The Court at Barcelona, December 1228

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The murals of the Conquesta de Mallorca, 1285-1290
The city & fortifications
Detail of the fortifications & defenders
The Aragonese camp
A 'blackamoor' hurled from the battlements as the Aragonese capture Mallorca
Detail of the camp and knights
Moors in combat
Moors riding out to war beneath their characteristic war flags.
Moorish armoured cavalryman, banner and trumpeters
A moor.
William II of Baern & Moncada at the Battle of Portopi
The Court at Barcelona, December 1228

Druzhina
Illustrations of Costume and Soldiers

 

[Al_Mansur]

Thanks a lot I have always been quite interested by this painting. But the Detail of bottom left of right section doesn't work.

 

[lolwarrior]

Can some1 give me the textures for the helmets as i want to add it into WFAS and i doubt it has the native textures.

 

[gongo]

hi, 
I'm playing ad 1257, this wonderful  pack is compatible with this mod?
thx

 

[Al_Mansur]

Of course it is. Besides many of my stuffs are already in 1257ad.

Some stuffs I am working on for a mod I didn't announced yet:

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