OSP 3D Art WEe's Helmets/Shields/Weapons (Yarr) [Updated 2.4.2013]

[rgcotl]

alpha channels isn't really perfect thing when you look at raster selection it always have some additional pixels (or pixel parts) from backgrounds so the same color hide it
if you use background white you will certainly see about what i am talking

While making plumes i always use triangular cylinders, i mean a cylinder with three sides instead of planes, so it wont look too wierd when viewed from certain directions. This way it also gives the impression of density and also saves vertices than three separate planes, i mix it up with "X" crossed planes as well to get variety.

i cannot really sayhow much your technique use triangles and how good it is but for example for feathers i used

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it greatly increase triangle number from 2 or 4 to 28 (but 28 triangles if the helmet like mine had only 2 feathers it isn't to much)
also "V form" on few perspectives hides that i am using planes cause when you rotate it newer look like a plane

 

[Demonwolf]

Shouldn't it be a horse hair plume?

 

[Gothic Knight]

I got a helm for you to make if you're interested. The Coolus or the Imperial Gallic A.

Coolus helm-

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Imperial Gallic A

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[theAthenian]

I am interested in this helmet too.

 

[Gothic Knight]

I'll also post the Montefortino E, but be warned it has almost no references online. I'm just posting it because you are practicing with plumes.

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In-game images are from the RSII mod, and it's a good reference as they have used a lot of history books/art to make their models.

 

[Sayd Ûthman]

Cataphract helmet has a clipping on the neck side

 

[Gothic Knight]

Cataphract helmet has a clipping on the neck side

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This? Yep. I also made a cataphract helm that is of a later date than Mr.Masters(Mine is 13-4th century, his is 10-11th Century). It's in need of a retexture though.

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http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=2190

 

[mr.master]

Thanks for all the advice.

I got a helm for you to make if you're interested. The Coolus or the Imperial Gallic A.

Coolus helm-

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Imperial Gallic A

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Thanks, I think I can pull it off found some additional good pictures to help out.

I'll also post the Montefortino E, but be warned it has almost no references online. I'm just posting it because you are practicing with plumes.

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In-game images are from the RSII mod, and it's a good reference as they have used a lot of history books/art to make their models.

Think I can pull it off too, hopefully

Cataphract helmet has a clipping on the neck side

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This? Yep. I also made a cataphract helm that is of a later date than Mr.Masters(Mine is 13-4th century, his is 10-11th Century). It's in need of a retexture though.

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http://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?id=2190

I can re-texture it later on

 

[Gothic Knight]

Here's the reference I used.

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Thanks for trying out the Roman helms, it will provide more models for historical Roman mods to use.

 

[Sayd Ûthman]

How did you make those wonderful (but not perfect  ) plumes ?

 

[Gothic Knight]

How did you make those wonderful (but not perfect  ) plumes ?

He used the alpha map and a plane. I guessing it's on its on texture sheet like the way Rgl does them.

 

[Sayd Ûthman]

I don't know what is alpha map and plane .. thank's anyway

 

[Gothic Knight]

I don't know what is alpha map and plane .. thank's anyway

An alpha map can control whether an object shines or in this case, an alpha map is used to make everything except the texture invisible. For an example, if you don't use the alpha map correctly for the horsehair plume, either black or white will show in the areas not covered by the hair texture. By using the alpha map correctly, the area that is not textured will be invisible and the hair will only show. A plane is flat shape that modelers use to make alpha maps.

On the right is the plane the texture was made on. On the left is the same plane with an alpha map and the texture. All the areas in the plane that are not textured are invisible due to the alpha map thus making it look like the feather is there when it is in fact a 5 sided plane.

 

[Sayd Ûthman]

Thank you so much Gothic Knight. i'll look into this as soon i can

 

[mr.master]

Currently re-texturing the byzantine helm. Also, started working on the Gallic A helmet. Going quite nice. Still need to work on it. Not near to finishing the modeling. But it's in a good start

 

[mr.master]

Byzantine Helmet​

Original Model: Gothic Knight
Re-Texture: WEe

Has mipmaps.

In-game pics:

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And the uv map:

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No, it doesn't match the haubergeon mail, Ill try to fix it when I can.

 

[theAthenian]

nice 

 

[ntb_15]

i cannot really sayhow much your technique use triangles and how good it is but for example for feathers i used

Spoiler: v form

it greatly increase triangle number from 2 or 4 to 28 (but 28 triangles if the helmet like mine had only 2 feathers it isn't to much)
also "V form" on few perspectives hides that i am using planes cause when you rotate it newer look like a plane

Yeah, curved planes like that are good for making single feathers or palm leaves. But for making horse hair, i found it took too much vertices to get an acceptable density, so i joined the V shape to form a Three sided mesh, and each side is UV mapped to the horse-hair texture, and i change one of the angles (the one that would be facing up) between the sides to >90, and also i would vary the angles between the other sides to distort the UV map to get variety. It ended up having three varied horse-hair groups using around 21 faces. I hope you understood what i said, its really hard to explain without using screenshots.

 

[Gothic Knight]

Byzantine Helmet​

Original Model: Gothic Knight
Re-Texture: WEe

Has mipmaps.

In-game pics:

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And the uv map:

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No, it doesn't match the haubergeon mail, Ill try to fix it when I can.

Other then the mail, the boundaries of the uvmap are showing,but even with that it looks great.

 

[rgcotl]

i cannot really sayhow much your technique use triangles and how good it is but for example for feathers i used

Spoiler: v form

it greatly increase triangle number from 2 or 4 to 28 (but 28 triangles if the helmet like mine had only 2 feathers it isn't to much)
also "V form" on few perspectives hides that i am using planes cause when you rotate it newer look like a plane

Yeah, curved planes like that are good for making single feathers or palm leaves. But for making horse hair, i found it took too much vertices to get an acceptable density, so i joined the V shape to form a Three sided mesh, and each side is UV mapped to the horse-hair texture, and i change one of the angles (the one that would be facing up) between the sides to >90, and also i would vary the angles between the other sides to distort the UV map to get variety. It ended up having three varied horse-hair groups using around 21 faces. I hope you understood what i said, its really hard to explain without using screenshots.

probably few screenshots will be better
personaly i used "X form" + some "V form" for horse hairs