One step forward, two steps backward.

[ThePutty]

Horse archers were never supposed to be in the mod, they were a pure accident.

Horse archers dominate on large, open maps. Even if they are nerfed they would remain an ever present nuisance. This mod is aimed towards pitched battles and take-and-hold. Not skirmishing. 

If a knight is wearing 30,000 denari worth of equipment, he should at least be given the chance to retreat to safety if caught in a tough situation.

A further clue is that the classes in this mod are more segregated than vanilla. Horse archery runs contrary to that theme.

Having Western European style armies with guys in chainmail on coursers firing shortbows is ridiculous and don't expect to see it return any time soon.

You could always set up a horse archer class or something, and have all other classes not able to do it.

 

[HTAPAWASO]

How would that be a solution to the situation he describes?

 

[MadocComadrin]

I suppose you could spawn a bot then instantly kill it. Only problems being the corpse and the death message.

You could handle the corpse by making invisible armor and making sure the bot spawned is wearing that armor.  Sure it will still ragdoll, but at least it's good aesthetically. As for the death message, you may be able to filter out bot death messages, but I don't think it's very likely. However, if you named the bot "Horse Purchased" at least it would make some sense.

 

[Fenix_120]

I agree with Calodine that getting gold for fighting 'properly' is good, but I also understand the problems it causes.

If you could just get 50% of the value of the person's armour, and nothing else, that would be brilliant... no point killing civilians, but faction wars suddenly become potentially profitable.

Seeing as how a set of pilgrims robes cost 500 gold this would mean that killing an un-armed pilgrim would give you 250 gold, I would kill an un-armed civilian for 250 gold.


I would Kill an un-armed civilian for 100 gold.


I would Kill an un-armed civilian for 50 gold.


I would Kill an un-armed civilian for 10 gold.


I would Kill an un-armed civilian for a single (1, uno, one)gold coin.

But over all you forgetting one very important thing.


I would Kill an un-armed civilian for nothing.


Yeah you heard me, know why?


Cuss I will always kill players, armed or un-armed, noob or un-noobed, horse or un-horsed.


now I know what you are thinking, your thinking something along the lines of 'Why would you do such horrible things!" or 'Wow this guy needs to take a chill pill and get laid" Or "He's a few eggs short a dozen" but I would do these things.


I would do them Because you wish your girl friend was hot like mine.

Because you took to long re-spawning from your last gank.

Because your character in the game has a mustache.


See my children, people like to cause mayhem.

No matter how much we try to change it, their will always be noob gankers, always be TK'ers, always be people who have no love for mustache's, and always be people who have nothing better to do than entertain themselves by making you angry at them.


The best way to deal with such players is to get good enough and then Slay them.


Get a gang and ride around doing nothing but hunting down the specific players giving you grief and killing them.


Camp at spawn points for such players and give them a taste of their own medicine.


If green castle announces "Hey *Insert ****ers name here* you can use our castle!" get a posse, ride out to green castle, slay every man woman and civilian in green castle, spawn camp and keep slaying every green, write green players names down so you can keep slaying them if they change factions.


You are all forgetting that you have just as much freedom as they do, you can kill just like they do, you can stalk players just like they do, you can camp mines just like they do.

If they are better than you are, gang up on them, its not difficult finding people who hate gankers and noob slayers,
If theirs 4 of them, you bring 10 buddies, if they run you chase them, if they hide in green castle you get Red's to come help you storm castle.

If Red's are working for Greens you get blues and yellows to help you.


If reds and greens and yellows and blues and whites are all against you, and all the bandits are against you, and all the civilians are against you then You try your best to slay every one of the ****ers until they learn you are not one to **** with, you spawn camp and mine camp and lance em in the backs and if you are un-armed and they attack you DODGE AND PUNCH AND KICK until you get away or they kill you, because if you are going to play this mod and play it fairly their is nothing else you can do.


Of course this is only if you got the balls to play this mod to begin with.

Spoiler

You do, don't you? 

 

[Alex_C]

You had anger management classes?

 

[Fenix_120]

You had anger management classes?

This is the after picture buddy.


But Srsly, what else can you do other than stop playing the mod?


Nut up or shut up.


EDIT: Also something you can do is when you finally get to the point where you are well off you can spend your time buying weapons and giving them to the un-armed or escorting civies to town, if green team says 'Hey, no neutrals allowed in castle" quit green team,  i have even seen bands of players spending their time and hard earned gold doing nothing but such acts, violence is not the only answer.

 

[Mishkin]

That was very well written Fenix, i laughed while reading. Though it is an extreme way of putting things,  there was some valid points that i agree with and i have even done myself.

I got sick of a certain guy always killing me unarmed, so i took his name down, did what it took to survive, walking the long way to places, got a weapon and hunted him down, killed him, rode near the woods and waited for him to respawn, killed him on sight no matter what, until he quit the server)

People often start a vote kick against the player that killed them unarmed, i instantly vote no even if the player has killed me multiple times.  I believe the only reason a player should be kicked or banned is if they are using some kind of hacks or have a ping of like 700+. Kicking people for killing is just cry babyish.

 

[Grakelin]

Maybe in deathmatch, this is a bit different in that the modmaker had a particular style in mind. It would be like not carding soccer players after they hand the ball into the goal because, hey, they didn't kick anybody in the shins.

 

[moisesjns]

suggestion is it possible to give bandits horses?  Honestly i hate being a bandit and walking all the way to armory i end up being killed. at least make bandits spawn somewhere else. ill just deal with random spawn till  then.

 

[Used]

I agree with Calodine that getting gold for fighting 'properly' is good, but I also understand the problems it causes.

If you could just get 50% of the value of the person's armour, and nothing else, that would be brilliant... no point killing civilians, but faction wars suddenly become potentially profitable.

Seeing as how a set of pilgrims robes cost 500 gold this would mean that killing an un-armed pilgrim would give you 250 gold, I would kill an un-armed civilian for 250 gold.


I would Kill an un-armed civilian for 100 gold.


I would Kill an un-armed civilian for 50 gold.


I would Kill an un-armed civilian for 10 gold.


I would Kill an un-armed civilian for a single (1, uno, one)gold coin.

But over all you forgetting one very important thing.


I would Kill an un-armed civilian for nothing.


Yeah you heard me, know why?


Cuss I will always kill players, armed or un-armed, noob or un-noobed, horse or un-horsed.


now I know what you are thinking, your thinking something along the lines of 'Why would you do such horrible things!" or 'Wow this guy needs to take a chill pill and get laid" Or "He's a few eggs short a dozen" but I would do these things.


I would do them Because you wish your girl friend was hot like mine.

Because you took to long re-spawning from your last gank.

Because your character in the game has a mustache.


See my children, people like to cause mayhem.

No matter how much we try to change it, their will always be noob gankers, always be TK'ers, always be people who have no love for mustache's, and always be people who have nothing better to do than entertain themselves by making you angry at them.


The best way to deal with such players is to get good enough and then Slay them.


Get a gang and ride around doing nothing but hunting down the specific players giving you grief and killing them.


Camp at spawn points for such players and give them a taste of their own medicine.


If green castle announces "Hey *Insert ****ers name here* you can use our castle!" get a posse, ride out to green castle, slay every man woman and civilian in green castle, spawn camp and keep slaying every green, write green players names down so you can keep slaying them if they change factions.


You are all forgetting that you have just as much freedom as they do, you can kill just like they do, you can stalk players just like they do, you can camp mines just like they do.

If they are better than you are, gang up on them, its not difficult finding people who hate gankers and noob slayers,
If theirs 4 of them, you bring 10 buddies, if they run you chase them, if they hide in green castle you get Red's to come help you storm castle.

If Red's are working for Greens you get blues and yellows to help you.


If reds and greens and yellows and blues and whites are all against you, and all the bandits are against you, and all the civilians are against you then You try your best to slay every one of the ****ers until they learn you are not one to **** with, you spawn camp and mine camp and lance em in the backs and if you are un-armed and they attack you DODGE AND PUNCH AND KICK until you get away or they kill you, because if you are going to play this mod and play it fairly their is nothing else you can do.


Of course this is only if you got the balls to play this mod to begin with.

Spoiler

You do, don't you? 

LEGEND

a god among men

a lion among sheep

we are the lions in this mod, those who complain about being slaughtered by us are the sheep.

this is _fact_

 

[Used]

I got sick of a certain guy always killing me unarmed, so i took his name down, did what it took to survive, walking the long way to places, got a weapon and hunted him down, killed him, rode near the woods and waited for him to respawn, killed him on sight no matter what, until he quit the server)

UNTIL HE QUIT THE SERVER

STORY OF A LION

 

[Apostata]

I got sick of a certain guy always killing me unarmed, so i took his name down, did what it took to survive, walking the long way to places, got a weapon and hunted him down, killed him, rode near the woods and waited for him to respawn, killed him on sight no matter what, until he quit the server)

UNTIL HE QUIT THE SERVER

STORY OF A LION

Perhaps you should move from  Nietszche to Sartre when you grow up.  This story about taking responsibility to own hands is always pleasant to see in modern time, but I am not going to wank off myself because of its awsomness. There are a lot of categories for such acts.

For example:  I would not kill him because I want to keep Roleplay as I want it on this server- so, I will behave as I would want others to behave , thus expecting behaviour from others As I would act myself and thus I will try to enforce it this way and not kavenge me such way as he did. ( Sounds  familliar? Thats comes from one very clever man from Königsberg) And thats aswell a very noble Idea! But by your blear-eyed definition - he's a sheep.

 

[Used]

i would make an effort to argue with you, like i made a tiny effort arguing for 6 pages in that other thread, but your english is too crap. lol, sorry mate, i had to put it out there

what mishkin did is basically legendary, he is also a god among men, as well as Fenix_120. they both have my TOTAL respect. he killed the person until he LEFT the server. that is just cold blooded, i love it.

 

[MadocComadrin]

--snip--

For example:  I would not kill him because I want to keep Roleplay as I want it on this server- so, I will behave as I would want others to behave to me, thus expecting behaviour from others As I would act myself and thus I will try to enforce it this way and not kavenge me such way as he did. ( Sounds  familliar? Thats comes from one very clever man from Königsberg) And thats aswell a very noble Idea! But by your blear-eyed definition - he's a sheep.

[me=Madoc]raises his hand and fidgets wildly[/me]

Pick me, Pick me!...is it Immanuel Kant? The First Formulation?

 

[Apostata]

Sorry for bad english then. But I dont believe, that my bad english is the only problem which makes you unable to really argument. I am always switching to my native language word-order when angry.

Edit: by some noble lion and über man who celebrates their godlike behaviour..well..through games
      MadocComadrin: Of course he is. Great that there are those who know.