five bucks
Knight at Arms
Preach. This is without a doubt one of the biggest problems facing Bannerlord gameplay at the moment.
Hahahahhahahahahaha. Ooooffff.
Thanks to you for being the catalyst for taking the poll and bringing this issue to the reddit community and gather data.Thank you Terco_Viejo for opening the thread.
The poll took place in r/mountandblade subreddit which has 229k members and also official subreddit of TW. I also shared the poll link at r/Bannerlord subreddit which has 71.9k members and also second biggest subreddit related to Bannerlord I know of.
I want to write the results in percentage(389 votes):
-I like the armor/damage as the way it is: 37%
-I don't like it: 42%
-I don't like it and I use mods for changing it: %21
Never say never <3
Appreciate the post. As I noted in the other thread - we are exploring options to make armor more meaningful. Because this is still not fully settled, IMO we have to be a bit careful about over-promising on the what and the when.
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Power level is effected only by soldier level and whether they are cav or not.
Price is bound to tier, tier is based on damage, armor etc. But we are talking about stuff that can be done in few hours and tested / tuned in few days. This is not a case of hard to do, this is case of that they dont want to do, or are not allowed to do, or dont know what they should do. (source)
We tried to make armor and damage as realistic as possible based on available experimental and historical data in RBM and my conclussion is that something between our mod and vanilla would be probably acceptable by most of the community. Something like twice as much guaranteed (blunt factor) damage for some weapons like swords and arrows in comparison to RBM. (source)
The M&B series has always implemented ludicrously expensive prices for better armour and weapons. Players accept this as long as the grind to attain them is matched by their ultimate reward. Dressing up dolls for better advantage has always been a huge part of the motivation in any M&B game. With Bannerlord, this is lost. One armour is little better than another. The only value to loot is cash value or cosmetics - upgrades seem pointless. That diminishes excitement over both loot and shopping. What I'm trying to say is that this is a more fundamental gameplay issue than just combat mechanics or balance. Weapon and armour upgrades need to have purpose and value to motivate players. IMO the current balance is misguided.
RBM vs Looters with top tier armor:
RBM vs Looters naked:
Never say never <3
Appreciate the post. As I noted in the other thread - we are exploring options to make armor more meaningful. Because this is still not fully settled, IMO we have to be a bit careful about over-promising on the what and the when.
Thanks to you for being the catalyst for taking the poll and bringing this issue to the reddit community and gather data.
It makes sense to me that you have a cautious approach to making promises, but that doesn't diminish the need for direct action and strong solutions to long-standing issues that affect the very foundations of the game. It boggles my mind that Taleworlds (team leaders designers/decision makers) are being so myopic on issues so basic as the ones at hand in this thread... I honestly feel that way.
While it is true that on other occasions, the meme effect or humorous criticism has diluted the chances of serious consideration, there are times when the evidence is so remarkable that it cannot be ignored or underestimated. I am no more deserving of attention than any other user who exposes their feedback but I wish this video would be brought to the meeting table along with the question: is this acceptable?
Custom battle enviroment - no runnig mods
As I noted above, there are hundreds of users who have contributed significant data over the 2+ years of development. Recently, @five bucks , shared this Warband vs Bannerlord comparison.
Bannerlord Warband
Again, don't you see the inconsistency?
This needs to be addressed in a meaningful way and without half-measures. Inconsistencies in armour protection values (what protects more than what - pelts capes being more protective than chainmail shoulders a example of many), inconsistencies in weapon damage (what does more damage than what) that are exorbitant and magnified by speed multipliers, projectiles... it's a continuum that only makes this problem worse as time goes on. And all this collaterally affects the pace of battle (both in mission and campaign map) by the inconsistencies between tiers and in the economy...
Here are two comments from @Philozoraptor (Realistic Battle Mod co-author), which in my opinion are worth considering too:
Thank Duh for commenting and enriching the debate.
By giving false information.How could somebody "overpromise" something so basic as balancing armor protection?
As long as development continues there will be discussion on how the various systems of the game can and should work, yes.Or is it that there is still a discussion about what the Vision™ of armor protection is?
That seems like a separate issue to me. If you (or others) have or know of relevant reports in this regard, I would be happy to raise them.Inconsistencies in armour protection values (what protects more than what - pelts capes being more protective than chainmail shoulders a example of many), inconsistencies in weapon damage (what does more damage than what) that are exorbitant and magnified by speed multipliers, projectiles... it's a continuum that only makes this problem worse as time goes on.
I don't expect you to answer this. By all likelyhood for one reason or the other you couldn't anyways. But this is probably the most confusing answer you could have given me.As long as development continues there will be discussion on how the various systems of the game can and should work, yes.
These charts also help to understand in more perspective the issue we are dealing with here. Thank you, mate.Your short video really sums up the issue far better and more succinctly than my incomplete graphs. Good work.
I would also like to add that the hits-to-kill on those graphs were recorded from a distance of around 30m
Well, I would say they go hand in hand, but it's true that it's more of a subjective issue.That seems like a separate issue to me. If you (or others) have or know of relevant reports in this regard, I would be happy to raise them.