The problem is that you have the wrong dose and look for information in all the wrong places.
Why is it important what some Turkish doctor on a random Turkish channel thinks? Why do you think this will be interesting to anyone??
This thread should be about legitimate, real information about Covid - NOT DISINFORMATION you keep posting.
I'm trying to bring interesting news or discusstion about covid19 for forum user that are interested in the topic. I'm not an authorized person (as u clearly know), and i dont say there is a certain situation/knowledge, or i dont force anyone for these uncertain thing to talk into believing. I was talking informal which can be quite interesting. --No disinformation, but public inquiry in common sharing/talking area(thread-forum). To sum, im not trying to be harmful for west/new technologies with disinformation. Trying to see whats going on in a wide perspective with all news&authorities that related with this topic(not my news/my words). The turkish doc's words are something that we can check because he's related with covid19-health cases with his job experience. His expressions(that i shared some at my previous post) were interesting and unusual. With suspicious & interrogator approach, i did think its good to bring his expressions here(forum) to talk between us in topic. I support all medical authorities' decisions & critics from other authorities should be open as freedom of expression & public goodness with healthy working studies.
- Turks will keep believing in conspiracy theories and post them on a forum about a Turkish game.
This forum has many topics, and people like to discuss about the topics right? Also, i just shared a doctor's expressions & that was just my sharing, not all Turks. Also, that was doctor's expressions, not mine.
@dijiTurk I honestly have a hard time understanding what you are trying to say in that post. What is the question here?
I just heard some unusual expressions about some studies/covid19 vaccine & i wanted to share these expressions with asking some of these expressions' situation to forum users(you & adorno) that may see if doctor is right about what he said. You know i dont know about articles/studies/math much.
Now, from responds (as i understand), doc's point about studies' early state, and concerns for possible side effects are logical. Many other things that doc expressed have still question mark as safety ratio calculation.
As a general rule it is not exactly easy to have a conversation based on Turkish sources when I can't understand the language. Especially when the language is so different from English and there seems to be quite a bit that is lost in translation.
Also, it's not like I am in a position of particular authority in all things covid. I work in academia but I am not an MD or an infectious disease expert.
@Adorno is likely to be more knowledgeable than me, although I don't know that he'll have better luck making sense of all that ?
I tried to ask him about "safety ratio (%95 ) , ARR-RRR " via by message but, couldn't reach.
Now, i found another person that is close to covid19-health cases. This doc has similar expression with the turkish doc at some point (studies at early state/non-complete):
(to MadVader: I was at TikTok, and i was killing my time with its' %80 empty content(including girl dances) & %20 of its' useful content. I saw the Canadian doctor's translated video there. This doc's words also interesting for me. And, i thought its good to talk it here as a world citizen. This doesn't mean doc is pure right or i say this is a formal information. Just sharing covid19 related news/discustions etc to talk amoung us. )
Edit: yeah I was gonna try to watch the video with the autotranslate feature, but it is more than 2 hours long.
@dijiTurk I think you are obsessing a bit with this kind of thing, and I don't think it's very healthy.
I just checked the parts where where the doc talked at +2hour long video, while i was preparing to sum his expressions. I didnt share expressions from others( i just want to look what doctor says) . So, for second time, it took much less time. And, i'm not looking covid19 news 7/24, so, for now, i personally think that i'm still in healthy limits. And, as a non-authorized world citizen, i wont go deep researches, (just basics) . That's not my job.
I don't know of any studies on famotidin for either Covid treatment or prevention.
I can say it's not something we use where I work.
(At the start of the pandemic a lot of drugs for treatment were studied. It might have been one of those that fell through. Just like Ivermectin proved useless).
Regardless, you should completely ignore that video and everything they say.
Doc says that his patients cured with those drugs. And, FDA has one positive study for one of drugs in a study at in vitra form. But, yes, other FDA sources say that they are useless. That's strange, and i wondered if u hear these drugs/their efficent on covid19. You also said that they are useless, too. Okey. Seems like they(drugs) are still at one doc's experimental area, not approved state.
I ignore all others at that video, but i can't say that all doc's said words are worthless. Doc says he's not aganist vaccine, but this covid19 "vaccines" are not accually vaccines (including sinovac which is also not completed phase3 ). And he has big concerns about these "vaccines" for possible future side effects. He expressed this with this
https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download (this has some parts that support docs as he said )
I hope that man is not a "Doc". It sounds like he's suggesting to ignore vaccines and rely on preventive measures, including... walks (?)
That is absolutely not advised. You can still contract the disease and potentially spread it.
There's no harm in following those common health advice, but it's not a substitute for hygiene and getting vaccinated.
Vitamin C is water soluble so there's no danger in getting too much (you just pee it out). But if you eat a varied diet you are not lilely to lack it.
Vitamin D deficiency is common, so overdoses are rarely seen. More and more places Vitamin D supplement is adviced to the general public during winter, or if you get little sun.
Excess deaths - those above expected levels - are a measure of the overall impact of the pandemic.
www.bbc.com
Just to make a bit more clear my translate: He tells that there is an harmful virus. He's not aganist vaccines & tells that covid19 vaccines we see are not ready to be vaccine. And, walking advise was for individual body health improvement to fight better aganist virus(like taking C-D vitamins etc = making stronger body health).
Drugs seems unapproved, but he says he cured some of his patient with them..
Old news but here one:
https://abc7news.com/pepcid-ac-covid-famotidin-19/6132197/
Ok, I had some time on my bus commute this morning and I read
@dijiTurk's post more in detail. I can tell you that this part is said in bad faith:
He is talking about relative vs absolute risk reduction. The absolute metric, which he wants to use, is misleading. Imagine that you have a vaccine that offers absolute immunity from the virus, you test it on two groups of 20k people. 200 in the control group get sick, 0 in the vaccine group get sick. If you use the absolute metric to evaluate it you would get an absolute risk reduction of 1%, which is nonsensical given that this imaginary vaccine offers complete immunity.
I couldnt reach the doc to ask this part. I dont know method or ARR RRR things. So, im done here. I'll hold this at myself as questionable, not clear part.
Thanks all for taking time, and respond my sharings. It's good to talk with community, seeing + or - statements about expressions/news.. I know these kind of expressions/news can be totally untrue, but i just wanted to talk about them in a general conversation. I dont say they are %100 true, and i'm an authorized one at any specific area. I'm just a world citizen & taleworlds forum member that shares some news(etc) about covid19 at forum's related thread. I think this behaviour(without any disinformation action) is representation of public opinion in a wide perspective & its valuable.
I'll keep sharing covid19 releated interesting or important news(etc) here, if i dont forget.
Thanks for responds (even critics ones). Sorry for grammer. <3