ClownWithABunchofFlowers
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Not every site needs a like dislike system, just use word, not thard hotr
It's already been argumented for and against. Read the earlier posts.Not every site needs a like dislike system, just use word, not thard hotr
that's totally not a biased summary lmao
I don't know monty, I think I smell a hint of bias somewhere.
Reactions let people join an argument without actually attacking or defending it.
... has yet to conclusively produce a convincing argument for such a system.
Allow me to also remind you there are plenty of working examples of the like-system implementation (as posted earlier in this thread). You may have some rational concerns but are they strong enough to be so very opposed to an idea which might very well just enhance the user experience?It's not scare tactics or red herrings. Upvotes/downvotes kill discussion on forums where they're implemented for several reasons, allow me to remind you of a couple that concern me the most.
1. Our lizard brains enjoy seeing points go up. We want more points. So people post memes or opinions that gets them points. If we had them for a media section or whatever, that'd be fine, probably, but not for the forum at large.
2. Reactions let people join an argument without actually attacking or defending it. A horde of upvotes/downvotes is demoralizing to argue with, and no matter how reasoned your opinion is it will always appear to be the wrong one if the other guy has a zillion points or whatever and you don't.
This isn't emotional fear mongering or whatever you want to paint it. It happens all the time, on numerous platforms (reddit being the best, most obvious and confirming example) and it's bad. If someone has something worth discussing, let them and others defend it. If it's a crap idea or whatever, there are people that will call them out without the aid of downvotes.
As long as you can revert action
Downvoted.... has yet to conclusively produce a convincing argument for such a system.
Source?Allow me to also remind you there are plenty of working examples of the like-system implementation (as posted earlier in this thread). You may have some rational concerns but are they strong enough to be so very opposed to an idea which might very well just enhance the user experience?
What annoys me the most with this thread, contrary to plenty of other threads on this forum are that it appears few people actually read OPs suggestion before using logical fallancies. You may have not used one, but don't speak for the rest of the fellows. It would be ironic to defend past posters who've in their posts been arguing past (or misunderstood) the original intent for the vote-system (and whose posts I must've misinterpreted as red herrings).
To recap, the original discussion was about encouraging and making good suggestions/ideas more visible to the ordinary visitor or user who might not be as invested as you in spending hours and hours browsing threads and posts to find interesting content or good content (again, moderators does exist). As a community manager myself for the last ten years I'm well aware of the benefits, but also the consequences of making changes. As long as you can revert action and have a mature team of moderators, development and exploring fresh ideas are possible. This was not a thread about adding a like-system for memes, even though that was shortly discussed. About the thing with the dislike button in OPs post, I'd recommend to behave like a normal person and discuss that aspect without critizing the whole idea, as even I criticized it and listed alternative solutions/sites where a similar system had been implemented.
But it's clear now that even without such a system, there's already plenty of a hivemind here, and users doing selective reading. Thus I have been convinced that we shouldn't implement this suggestion, not due to risk have newcomers exploit the system before having their thread/likes taken away, but for the regulars whose sanity and eyesight would only dimish at a quicker pace. The drastically lower Bannerlord player statistics would also make suggestions like this less necessary as I'm sure the forums see less of an influx.
Prime example of selective reading, or no previous reading of this thread or subject at all.Source?
It doesn't influence discussion anywhere else on the internet. Why is it assumed the TaleWorlds forum is such a hive of scum and villainy that it will do so here?...It's a way to say "good post" without spamming the thread with "good post". I understand the concern that certain folks will flock to liking certain opinions, but on one of the places where such opinions are more controversial than any here; a US Civil War forum, the like system doesn't even remotely do anything to the discussion that occurs.
How it can be buried if there's no sorting by likes? And now suggestions are not being buried by ****post conversations in controversial threads?
But then again, let's ignore all the fully functioning communities using the system without any issues, because we're above/underneath them.
Just some games I've got: Destiny 2 (upvote thread), Star Citizen (users reproduce issues), Minecraft (upvote thread), AoE (upvote post).
Edit: I'm not entirely for OPs suggestion. I would still like the natural ''last posted/reply''-option to be default. However, I do see the benefits of having such a system restricted to the suggestions forums, as a way to better get an overview of what a lot of users find being interesting additions (even if the whole god damn community isn't sitting 24/7 in a suggestions forum). If that system is deemed unreasonable, then a like system that isn't intervening with hierarchy would be nice just to be able to gain an overview of the most liked content this week/month/year.
Points will, whether you like the natural behavior of humans need for acknowledgement or not, make more users voice their suggestions/bugs. If you can gain acknowledgement or be highlighted by others, it might actually lead to more users being genuinely interested in proving feedback/help, rather than just trolling. It's not like moderators will disappear or won't take care of any trolls attempting to jump on the bandwagon.
This might greatly improve the situation if you're one of the users complaining over the forums being a tiny representation of what suggestions, ideas or priorities the entire community want. Then you should be pro anything which makes it easier for a larger audience to voice their opinions.
Source? like, do you have anything to back your claim?Oh right, it would've been much easier if you just had a selection of the top most upvoted messages within this thread.
I mean, that's already happened. Reaccs/points have been suggested numerous times in the past, and every time users have argued against it, and moderators have also agreed it's a bad idea. Their possibility was again discussed for implementation in the new forums by mods and TW staff, and it was again decided against.I personally would like to have either or vote or a moderator decison on the topic. Just something final.