No no no, there has to be more verts than tri's, I think you have your 'x' and 'y' mixed up.Mayhem said:
Oh and Buggy's formula is correct. n+2.
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the sly hat man
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I've never heard of this series but by the sounds of it are the animals similar to animals in Narnia
Well, in real life, badgers really are bigger and more muscular than most of the animals that are in the series. A wildcat actually could potentially be bigger in size. In real life, however, a badger is one of the strongest mammals in the world for its size (and the same for other mustelids like weasels, stoats, and etc) and wouldn't have any problem dealing with a wild cat. A badger can actually fight off any dog no questions. A wolverine can fight off several wolves simultaneously. I wouldn't be surprised if a wolverine could kill a cougar (if the cougar was dumb enough to really attack it).Dahvos said:
But anyhow...
We will do the best we can as far as sizes, but for now, the priority will be just getting the animals in game and creating the content for the mod. I would like to eventually have animals vary in size so that if you're a mouse, then a cat or badger would be a truly impressive sight.
Don't worry Moss, I'm not going to demand anything from you and crack the whip or anythingI'm afraid I can't really help out all that much with characters or factions, it's been a long, long time since I've read the books.
If you could give me a faction list and a general description of what you think the factions aesthetics should be I could probably help out with troop trees, item lists, etc, but me actually doing module work would probably just get in the way as we'd have to compile both versions together.
If you'd like to throw some textures at me though I'd be glad to help. Simple edits don't take much time at all, so I could make some fur colour/pattern variations, armour variations, maybe some red stone wall textures.
. If you're up to it, you could probably take the various stone textures from native and saturate them with red so they look more like red sand stone. Note: Once I get the first animals in, Jezze gets the main map mostly finished, and I get the basic factions/troops/parties on the map, I'll send the module folder and the module system to all the modders to test and work on. It might be a week or two though.
Also, just so everyone knows, I'm considering having the primary "antagonist" be a supposed descendant of Cluny. There will also be at least one independent Corsair captain as the leader of another "vermin" faction. I'm also thinking about having a vermin Taggerung be the leader of another Vermin faction around north Mossflower. The "protagonists" will be the hares (and hopefully badger lord) of Salamandastron, the Redwallers (including the squirrels and otters inhabiting Mossflower), Southsward (castle floret), and Guosim shrews.
ash12181987
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I am in utter shock... Folthrik hasn't commented yet.
Awesome idea guys, I really hope it all works out. If it does I'll be one of the first to download it.
Also... is there anyway to modify titles? IE, if you rise to the head of the Guisom, can you be Log-a-log, because that would rock. Similarly, it has been some time since I read the books, but wasn't Skipper's Otters an independent faction, like Guisom, even later on in the series, or did they finally become Part of redwall?
Somethings you may look into, for means of help/ideas would be 1866 and Custom Settlements. I say that for the following reasons:
-If you have a group like say Guisom, who by my memory were not insanely powerful in the scheme of things, but more of a smaller faction, who often helped the redwallers, depending on only a few leaders, in 1866 there are like... two opposing factional groups. You have outlaws/bandits/lawmen, and you have mexico/america/comanche/apache. Both groups don't interact with each other as much, but you can get troops from all. The Outlaws/bandits/lawmen have only a few main guys and maybe two hangouts, where as the nations have cities, castles, and everything you expect from Mount and Blade. What I'm getting to would be, perhaps you could have smaller groups like: Guisom, Otters, sea rats (The often factioned group) as smaller sub groups, and then Redwall/Salamandastron (Crap I can actually spell that without looking it up, I am a fanboy)/Sampetra as large factions. You can recruit from all, and see men from differing groups in the armies, but it separates everyone according to threat level. Preventing something absolutely silly happening... like a war between the Guisom and their 4 boats... and Sampetra, and their fleet, island, legion, and big cat.
-Salamandastron: There is a settlement in the custom settlements mod that is inside a mountain, rather well done... would fit the bill, or come close. I will check which one.
Also, something else is that in the Redwall universe you get a buncha groups that seem to appear from outa left field and are suddenly a big threat. See, Cluny the Scourge. What about some kind of invasion system? I know that Calradia at War and Native Expansion use invading armies (Sing Dynasty and Black Knights respectively) to introduce new factions. That would seem rather Redwall-esque.
Another thing I was curious about, what about Snakes, Birds, Wildcats (To an extent) and other BIG animals that appear, but only as like boss enemies for the protagonist to fight. Their still an integral part of the Redwall books, being the dragons to the mini-heros. Would they play any part in this mod?
Yeah, thats a bit much, but as I said earlier... This mod has me really excited, can't wait to see how it turns out!
Awesome idea guys, I really hope it all works out. If it does I'll be one of the first to download it.
Also... is there anyway to modify titles? IE, if you rise to the head of the Guisom, can you be Log-a-log, because that would rock. Similarly, it has been some time since I read the books, but wasn't Skipper's Otters an independent faction, like Guisom, even later on in the series, or did they finally become Part of redwall?
Somethings you may look into, for means of help/ideas would be 1866 and Custom Settlements. I say that for the following reasons:
-If you have a group like say Guisom, who by my memory were not insanely powerful in the scheme of things, but more of a smaller faction, who often helped the redwallers, depending on only a few leaders, in 1866 there are like... two opposing factional groups. You have outlaws/bandits/lawmen, and you have mexico/america/comanche/apache. Both groups don't interact with each other as much, but you can get troops from all. The Outlaws/bandits/lawmen have only a few main guys and maybe two hangouts, where as the nations have cities, castles, and everything you expect from Mount and Blade. What I'm getting to would be, perhaps you could have smaller groups like: Guisom, Otters, sea rats (The often factioned group) as smaller sub groups, and then Redwall/Salamandastron (Crap I can actually spell that without looking it up, I am a fanboy)/Sampetra as large factions. You can recruit from all, and see men from differing groups in the armies, but it separates everyone according to threat level. Preventing something absolutely silly happening... like a war between the Guisom and their 4 boats... and Sampetra, and their fleet, island, legion, and big cat.
-Salamandastron: There is a settlement in the custom settlements mod that is inside a mountain, rather well done... would fit the bill, or come close. I will check which one.
Also, something else is that in the Redwall universe you get a buncha groups that seem to appear from outa left field and are suddenly a big threat. See, Cluny the Scourge. What about some kind of invasion system? I know that Calradia at War and Native Expansion use invading armies (Sing Dynasty and Black Knights respectively) to introduce new factions. That would seem rather Redwall-esque.
Another thing I was curious about, what about Snakes, Birds, Wildcats (To an extent) and other BIG animals that appear, but only as like boss enemies for the protagonist to fight. Their still an integral part of the Redwall books, being the dragons to the mini-heros. Would they play any part in this mod?
Yeah, thats a bit much, but as I said earlier... This mod has me really excited, can't wait to see how it turns out!
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Glad you're excited I hope this mod turns out great.
ash12181987 said:I am in utter shock... Folthrik hasn't commented yet.
Awesome idea guys, I really hope it all works out. If it does I'll be one of the first to download it.
Also... is there anyway to modify titles? IE, if you rise to the head of the Guisom, can you be Log-a-log, because that would rock. Similarly, it has been some time since I read the books, but wasn't Skipper's Otters an independent faction, like Guisom, even later on in the series, or did they finally become Part of redwall?
Custom Settlements has this feature (allowing your character to get the title of "King" or "Queen"). I will probably ask wickedshot about that. It's not a priority currently though.
Somethings you may look into, for means of help/ideas would be 1866 and Custom Settlements. I say that for the following reasons:
-If you have a group like say Guisom, who by my memory were not insanely powerful in the scheme of things, but more of a smaller faction, who often helped the redwallers, depending on only a few leaders, in 1866 there are like... two opposing factional groups. You have outlaws/bandits/lawmen, and you have mexico/america/comanche/apache. Both groups don't interact with each other as much, but you can get troops from all. The Outlaws/bandits/lawmen have only a few main guys and maybe two hangouts, where as the nations have cities, castles, and everything you expect from Mount and Blade. What I'm getting to would be, perhaps you could have smaller groups like: Guisom, Otters, sea rats (The often factioned group) as smaller sub groups, and then Redwall/Salamandastron (Crap I can actually spell that without looking it up, I am a fanboy)/Sampetra as large factions. You can recruit from all, and see men from differing groups in the armies, but it separates everyone according to threat level. Preventing something absolutely silly happening... like a war between the Guisom and their 4 boats... and Sampetra, and their fleet, island, legion, and big cat.
It's something that I have thought about. Right now I'm just going to try to get the basics running; then I'll look at a more complicated faction system. Skipper's otters are somewhat independent, but skipper is often at Redwall. Also, there are other skippers (for example in Southsward), so a larger-smaller faction setup might be ideal for this. Perhaps there would be various small "woodlander" factions (different otter groups each with their own skipper, Guosim, etc and perhaps smaller "vermin" factions like the Juska Clan with a Taggerung, a corsair or two, etc.
-Salamandastron: There is a settlement in the custom settlements mod that is inside a mountain, rather well done... would fit the bill, or come close. I will check which one.
It is called Morlia. I'm definitely going to be looking at it. I'm considering a number of different ways to make it. For one idea, I might call on one of the modelers for some "mountainside" objects or something. No matter, Salamandastron is going to be [hopefully] awesome
Also, something else is that in the Redwall universe you get a buncha groups that seem to appear from outa left field and are suddenly a big threat. See, Cluny the Scourge. What about some kind of invasion system? I know that Calradia at War and Native Expansion use invading armies (Sing Dynasty and Black Knights respectively) to introduce new factions. That would seem rather Redwall-esque.
It's a good idea. It will be something to look into, but I definitely want to have a dedicated warlord (or two) that I can focus on and add some interesting characterization/quests.
Another thing I was curious about, what about Snakes, Birds, Wildcats (To an extent) and other BIG animals that appear, but only as like boss enemies for the protagonist to fight. Their still an integral part of the Redwall books, being the dragons to the mini-heros. Would they play any part in this mod?
If we can, we'll definitely try to implement some birds (cats are already going to be in it). I heard that there was a flying script, so we'll see. It's not an immediate priority however.
Yeah, thats a bit much, but as I said earlier... This mod has me really excited, can't wait to see how it turns out!
Glad you're excited
I hope this mod turns out great.
buggy123 said:
tbh, the redwall book wasn't that good compared to the rest of the series xD
btw, any modders out there can tell me how texture works? Does the engine support normal maps, light maps, etc? How does uv mapping work when modding this?
I already got a few models up, but no textures yet
the book. in the book, there was a captain in Cluny's army named Skullface who he made jump on the back of the horse to bite it when it stopped running and pulling the cart, and when he jumpped on its back the horse freaked out and reared and he fell off and got run over and killed by the cart.
buggy123
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about the animal creation:
1. the head, you know how when u create a char it lets you choose the nose size, etc and it deforms the mesh accordingly? Is that even possible to do animal? because I imagine it would look really weird...
2.The body, are hair/fur usually done with textures or on the model? (blender 3d can do hair on the models but I suspect it will crash the game)
1. the head, you know how when u create a char it lets you choose the nose size, etc and it deforms the mesh accordingly? Is that even possible to do animal? because I imagine it would look really weird...
2.The body, are hair/fur usually done with textures or on the model? (blender 3d can do hair on the models but I suspect it will crash the game)
buggy123
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Hey ares, I suggest we get a file hosting server online so we won't have the problem of "Oh noez, my computer crashed and I lost all the models and scripts!" plus, its a good way for all the people on the team whos working on what, and what we need to work on, etc.
Maybe mediafire or something?
Maybe mediafire or something?
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