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Romans saw literally the entire world as only fit to be ruled by them as not only natural, but divinely preordained rulers. They were openly supremacist and bragged about it. They didn't set out to literally enslave the entire world just to make a point, but neither did modern Europeans, because neither had to.Urgrevling said:
They didn't use that term, because it doesn't make sense before Linnaeus and Darwin, but the spirit of their worldview was the same. They also didn't feel the need to justify it at all. To them, it was not a "peculiar institution" that needs theoretical defense against its detractors, it was completely normal, the default state of things.Urgrevling said:
This type of fairly inclusive Romanitas developed quite late as a response to the demographic reality of the Empire, not unlike say Britishness has been redefined after WW2. But for most of their history they were very ethnos-minded. Having common ancestors and ancestor worship was the cornerstone of Roman culture and religion.Grikiard said:
No, they will meme about how Europeans were open-minded, peaceful traders and knowledge-sharers, because Portuguese missionaries in Kongo or the Moluccas were a thing and Pushkin and Dumas were 1/something black, just like you people meme about RomeUrgrevling said:
kurczak said:Romans saw literally the entire world as only fit to be ruled by them as not only natural, but divinely preordained rulers. They were openly supremacist and bragged about it. They didn't set out to literally enslave the entire world just to make a point, but neither did modern Europeans, because neither had to.Urgrevling said:
They didn't use that term, because it doesn't make sense before Linnaeus and Darwin, but the spirit of their worldview was the same. They also didn't feel the need to justify it at all. To them, it was not a "peculiar institution" that needs theoretical defense against its detractors, it was completely normal, the default state of things.Urgrevling said:
This type of fairly inclusive Romanitas developed quite late as a response to the demographic reality of the Empire, not unlike say Britishness has been redefined after WW2. But for most of their history they were very ethnos-minded. Having common ancestors and ancestor worship was the cornerstone of Roman culture and religion.Grikiard said:
No, they will meme about how Europeans were open-minded, peaceful traders and knowledge-sharers, because Portuguese missionaries in Kongo or the Moluccas were a thing and Pushkin and Dumas were 1/something black, just like you people meme about RomeUrgrevling said:
Except no one has said, nor will anyone, that the Romans weren't xenophobic, only that they didn't have racial slavery. But "you people" love to think concepts from modern times are universal and have been around forever.
For the record, slavery anywhere done by anyone is horrible. It's not that only Europeans have done evil or that their evil is very special and unique , but that the transatlantic slave trade had effects that are still felt today and the quote that started the discussion is used to disingenuously argue that it's not so bad by equating it with other forms of slavery in history. It's arguments that were used at the time by slave owners themselves.
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I can live with that.Urgrevling said:kurczak said:Romans saw literally the entire world as only fit to be ruled by them as not only natural, but divinely preordained rulers. They were openly supremacist and bragged about it. They didn't set out to literally enslave the entire world just to make a point, but neither did modern Europeans, because neither had to.Urgrevling said:
They didn't use that term, because it doesn't make sense before Linnaeus and Darwin, but the spirit of their worldview was the same. They also didn't feel the need to justify it at all. To them, it was not a "peculiar institution" that needs theoretical defense against its detractors, it was completely normal, the default state of things.Urgrevling said:
This type of fairly inclusive Romanitas developed quite late as a response to the demographic reality of the Empire, not unlike say Britishness has been redefined after WW2. But for most of their history they were very ethnos-minded. Having common ancestors and ancestor worship was the cornerstone of Roman culture and religion.Grikiard said:
No, they will meme about how Europeans were open-minded, peaceful traders and knowledge-sharers, because Portuguese missionaries in Kongo or the Moluccas were a thing and Pushkin and Dumas were 1/something black, just like you people meme about RomeUrgrevling said:
Except no one has said, nor will anyone, that the Romans weren't xenophobic, only that they didn't have racial slavery. But "you people" love to think concepts from modern times are universal and have been around forever.
For the record, slavery anywhere done by anyone is horrible. It's not that only Europeans have done evil or that their evil is very special and unique , but that the transatlantic slave trade had effects that are still felt today and the quote that started the discussion is used to disingenuously argue that it's not so bad by equating it with other forms of slavery in history. It's arguments that were used at the time by slave owners themselves.
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Heh, I made a 1/35th scale model version of the first one!
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For some reason I dreamt of these folks,
and I think people exaggerate too much about them being creepy.
and I think people exaggerate too much about them being creepy.
>Last minute moralising about whether or not to put down the pedophile cult that leads the military
Okay, sure, their heads were fairly far up their own asses, but are we sure they weren't basically the least corrupt organisation on that planet?
