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Temujin said:
Vikingr uses a method where pressing X will allow you to switch between overhand and underhand spear animations.
There is also this thread http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=115814.0. I'm not sure how much this would work, or even how easy or difficult it is (I have no experience at all in modding, and I don't know what things mean or what to change or such). But it might be something handy to use in the future.
The ability to switch between the two like in Vikingr would be quite handy though. Would make playing a hoplite more satisfying, especially when facing AI that like to facehug.
HeirOfWallachia
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Dion/Folcwar said:
Don't even bother, overhand is not the correct way of fighting. Underhand is the way you fight, you can stab in any direction and it is much easier to hold. Overhand is very limited.
HeirOfWallachia
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DC53 said:
No, you might see some vase paintings of two Greek heroes who are dramatically fighting with spears and using them overhand, or fighting naked, or sometimes even riding dolphins into battle. Those jars were intended to sell, not to be accurate. However there are also accurate depictions on some vases where you can see Greeks fighting in formation and using their spears underhand.
Here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klOc9C-aPr4
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-xtFXThEOc
The man is an archaeologist and has worked as a professor if you doubt what he has to say.
Still, Hoplites did fight using the overhead aswell as the underhand.
HeirOfWallachia
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Windbusche said:
Do you have proof?
He pretty much stated exactly what I was going to.
Now all historian's ego aside, the decision was made. So why argue?
Now all historian's ego aside, the decision was made. So why argue?
HeirOfWallachia said:
There is one thing with Lloyd's videos which is wrong about his point about spears. His comment that overhand spear usage only happens in vases, is quite inconsistent. Because as a matter of fact, one of his evidences for using underarm, are Boeotian Shields, which interestingly enough do not appear in the archaeological record, but only appear in vase paintings. So his disparaging of the use of vase paintings for over-arm use is quite off base. And his basis is quite bad scholarship. He went out to look for what the vases showed, they didn't show what he wanted, so he decided that it was artistic license. I like Lloyd's videos, but on these points about spears, he is quite off base.
The other important thing to note, is that in his examples he's using what is essentially a quarter staff. It cannot be used as an example of a spear, or even a Dory for that matter, because the Dory has one very important thing which makes using overarm easier than without one. That being a sarouter. There is enough heft there that you can hold the spear quite far back without having it be unwieldy.
It has also been tested that an overarm thrust is comparatively more powerful than an underarm one. (I believe it was Peter Connolly who did these tests, but I cannot be entirely certain off the top of my head).
Here is another video showing his whole point in raising the spear over the shield top.
http://youtu.be/sg99-l1C7XI?t=5m39s
And finally, this video of reenactors using the overarm method. Look at their hand placements, and how far back on the spear they're holding it. There isn't "Half the spear" behind them like how Lloyd speaks about concerning the overarm usage having to hold the spear in the middle.
http://youtu.be/IiZ4Y4CGoTU?t=1m36s
Overarm spear usage is historical for any formation fighting in a tight ranked shield wall with no gaps between the shields.
HeirOfWallachia
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I would like to point out a couple of things, but since Dion said no more, than I will say no more.
I think this thread in another forum pretty much resolves this issue. 
