Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord Old Discussion Thread

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kalarhan said:
Guray said:
Can we swim in bannerlord now? if so how is it gonna work with heavy armors,equipments and such?

https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-medieval-suits-of-armor-weigh

A full length mail hauberk with a coif over the head and mail chausses on the legs worn by a knight in the Twelfth or Thirteenth Centuries would have come in at around 16 kilos or 35 lbs

Would extra 16kg stop you from swimming?
There are horses. I was also referring to swimming mechanics. Even if you were naked you would still walk like its just a road.
 
Narushima said:
kalarhan said:
Guray said:
Can we swim in bannerlord now? if so how is it gonna work with heavy armors,equipments and such?

https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-medieval-suits-of-armor-weigh

A full length mail hauberk with a coif over the head and mail chausses on the legs worn by a knight in the Twelfth or Thirteenth Centuries would have come in at around 16 kilos or 35 lbs

Would extra 16kg stop you from swimming?

Wrong question. The human body is near neutrally buoyant when naked. Armour is not. So it's not just extra 16kg.

Average density of human body = 985 kg/m^3, 945 average maximum with full lungs. Density of water is 1000. Density of armour would be around 6000-8000 (mostly steel, some cloth, some leather).

So 16 kg of armour, if we assume that the average weight of a medieval soldier was around 75kg-80kg, would increase total density of the soldier to about 2000-2600 kg/m^3. This would make him sink like a rock. Literally. Density of rocks is about 2000-2600.

It seems one can swim in certain armour types: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLcT5J7yg9k

I also remember having seen a video of a dude in Medieval European armour, I can't remember what type it was, but it was basically floating a bit, so he could swim with it. Can't find that video anywhere now.
 
Pilum said:
It seems one can swim in certain armour types: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLcT5J7yg9k

I also remember having seen a video of a dude in Medieval European armor, I can't remember what type it was, but it was basically floating a bit, so he could swim with it. Can't find that video anywhere now.

But he doesnt wear any boots or leg armour, if he would he basicly cant stay on the water or get tired tens of times faster than normal swimming suit.

edit : but it is a game, shouldnt be exactly same as real world. I would like to have swimming animations in the game.
 
Varrak said:
Pilum said:
It seems one can swim in certain armour types: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLcT5J7yg9k

I also remember having seen a video of a dude in Medieval European armor, I can't remember what type it was, but it was basically floating a bit, so he could swim with it. Can't find that video anywhere now.

But he doesnt wear any boots or leg armour, if he would he basicly cant stay on the water or get tired tens of times faster than normal swimming suit.

edit : but it is a game, shouldnt be exactly same as real world. I would like to have swimming animations in the game.

I agree, they should add swimming animations, M&B is not "realistic" anyway (which isn't a bad thing IMO).
 
Narushima said:
Wrong question. The human body is near neutrally buoyant when naked. Armour is not. So it's not just extra 16kg.

Its not the wrong question, its the one that matters. I have done hydrogymnastic with 10 kg weights without any issues, just never tried using a body armor that spreads the weigh around my entire body (and thus, should use the body volume when calculating density), keep my arms and legs free to move. We are not talking about someone walking in water here, but swimming. Not floating, where density matter most (think a ship).

For fun, lets watch a samurai trying to swim in a pool:


And of course 16kg would be a extreme case. Less protected warriors could have a easier time, or not. Depends on the materials used.

Too bad Mythbusters show is over, this would be a fun episode.


Pilum said:
I also remember having seen a video of a dude in Medieval European armour
https://vimeo.com/13634653
 
Varrak said:
If you are trying to mention that "swimming" when he was standing on his foots, nah man it is not swimming. It is just standing on his own foots  :mrgreen:

kalarhan said:
we must be watching a different video. Maybe from a alternative universe. Or you are skipping to the end (second test). Dunno  :mrgreen:

Anyway enough of this. If Gerald of Rivia can swim in full armor, so can we! Or is anyone telling us that we are less capable than a mutated witcher?!?  :shifty:

Fail again  :roll:
 
in this video

https://vimeo.com/13634653

Yeahhh dude he complately swims

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reiksmarshal said:
Everybody in the water should just drown, it was a sin to swim.
wrong, in the medieval ages a lot of people bathed and swam. the aversion of bathing only came around the 1600s

as an inhabitant of the low countries I request, nay I demand the ability to follow into the steps of my forefathers and cross rivers with my horse in mail armour and with full baggage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batavi_(Germanic_tribe)
 
SenorZorros said:
reiksmarshal said:
Everybody in the water should just drown, it was a sin to swim.
wrong, in the medieval ages a lot of people bathed and swam. the aversion of bathing only came around the 1600s

Funny thingy about this idea is that it assumes that swimming is a difficulty skill to master. We are not talking about setting records in the Olympics. Any kid born near a river learns how to do it (even if on a basic level) early on. A baby can swim. A dog can swim.

I was swimming at sea as a child and I never took lessons or went to the "Swimming Academy" for a 101 class. Basic stuff, but I did not drown (or at least I think I didn't, as I am still here... or am I?)

e just take into account the idea that it was a scary thingy because monsters and whatnot. I wonder how accurate that actually is. Again, you can learn how to survive in water in a hour or two, alone, without a teacher/master. Or does anyone here took 10 years to learn how to do it? 10000 hours??? hehe
 
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