Largest Stable Companion parties chart please?

TYR

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Is there a way to disable this "feature" once and for all? I have been playing M&B for thousands of hours but never ever in any version or mod managed to handle this companion system at all. After completing the storyline, they keep bugging me every ten minutes, i already considered to reload or even restart the whole game and not finish the main quest as this was disabled before you finish sven.  :?:
 

kraggrim

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TYR said:
Is there a way to disable this "feature" once and for all? I have been playing M&B for thousands of hours but never ever in any version or mod managed to handle this companion system at all. After completing the storyline, they keep bugging me every ten minutes, i already considered to reload or even restart the whole game and not finish the main quest as this was disabled before you finish sven.  :?:
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,323613.msg7708802.html#msg7708802
This worked fine for me in 1.03, could give it a try.
 

Carpra

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kalarhan said:
In case someone else looks at this thread:

Relation Matrix is inside the Presentations Pack for a ingame view (RED means dislike and in the party right now)



Cheers

Kalarhan, how get this ingame?
 

Carpra

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Lohi-soturi

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[ THIS INFORMATION IS OUT OF DATE FOR GAMES STARTED post game version 2.005 ]

Hi,

I had previously only played the storyline through but I've found new interest in VC with  the reforged open beta and yesterday I decided to have a look at the sandbox mode.
Naturally I wanted to have stable party listings aswell for VC so today I had a look at the forum and found this thread.

I just took Ivan Khan's relationship matrix (great work! - hopefully I didn't add any typos) and fed it to my old program (which had produced the Brytenwalda stable party listings).
There is of course no guarantee that the morale system works the same as in bw, but here is the output anyway (terminology and methods as in my old Brytenwalda thread (http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,183844.0.html) ):

Strictly stable parties with 8 members:

1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.extra moralemorale penalty
Party_#1Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 50
Party_#2Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 40

Strictly stable parties with 7 members:
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.extra moralemorale penalty
Party_#1Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn 60
Party_#2Caio Donnchadh Morgant Reginhard Helgi Ailchu Agathinos 60
Party_#3Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Beda 60
Party_#4Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Beda 50
Party_#5Brunhild Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 50
Party_#6Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Agathinos 40
Party_#7Caio Brunhild Morgant Bodo Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn 40
Party_#8Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Ailchu Agathinos 40
Party_#9Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu 40
Party_#10Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 40
Party_#11Caio Donnchadh Morgant Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 40
Party_#12Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn 40
Party_#13Brunhild Morgant Bodo Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 40
Party_#14Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 40
Party_#15Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Beda 40
Party_#16Caio Egil Donnchadh Bodo Reginhard Ailchu Agathinos 30
Party_#17Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Beda 30
Party_#18Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 30
Party_#19Brunhild Morgant Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 30
Party_#20Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 30
Party_#21Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Beda 30
Party_#22Caio Brunhild Morgant Bodo Clovis Ceawlin Agathinos 20
Party_#23Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu 20
Party_#24Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Agathinos 20
Party_#25Caio Donnchadh Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 20
Party_#26Caio Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 20
Party_#27Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Agathinos 20
Party_#28Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Beda 20
Party_#29Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 20
Party_#30Brunhild Morgant Dwywei Ceawlin Asbjorn Helgi Beda 10
Party_#31Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Beda 10
Party_#32Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Beda 10
Party_#33Caio Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Agathinos 00
Party_#34Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Agathinos 00



Stable parties with 9 members:
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.extra moralemorale penalty
Party_#1Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 44
Party_#2Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 24
Party_#3Caio Egil Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 26
Party_#4Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 26
Party_#5Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Solveig Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#6Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Asbjorn Helgi Ailchu Beda 16


Stable parties with 8 members:
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.extra moralemorale penalty
Party_#1Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 50
Party_#2Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 40
Party_#3Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Beda 52
Party_#4Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 42
Party_#5Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 42
Party_#6Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Beda 32
Party_#7Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 32
Party_#8Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 22
Party_#9Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Beda 12
Party_#10Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 44
Party_#11Donnchadh Morgant Dwywei Reginhard Helgi Ailchu Agathinos Beda 44
Party_#12Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Clovis Solveig Ailchu Agathinos 34
Party_#13Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 34
Party_#14Caio Egil Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 24
Party_#15Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Reginhard Clovis Helgi Agathinos 24
Party_#16Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 24
Party_#17Caio Brunhild Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 24
Party_#18Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Asbjorn Helgi Ailchu 24
Party_#19Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 24
Party_#20Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 24
Party_#21Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Ailchu Agathinos Beda 24
Party_#22Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 24
Party_#23Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Asbjorn Helgi Ailchu Beda 24
Party_#24Donnchadh Morgant Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 24
Party_#25Brunhild Morgant Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Helgi Beda 14
Party_#26Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Ceawlin Asbjorn Helgi Beda 14
Party_#27Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Asbjorn Helgi Ailchu Beda 14
Party_#28Caio Brunhild Morgant Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Helgi Agathinos 04
Party_#29Brunhild Morgant Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Helgi Agathinos 04
Party_#30Caio Egil Brunhild Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 26
Party_#31Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Dwywei Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 26
Party_#32Caio Brunhild Bodo Clovis Solveig Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#33Egil Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#34Egil Brunhild Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#35Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Helgi Beda 16
Party_#36Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Solveig Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#37Brunhild Bodo Dwywei Clovis Solveig Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#38Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Asbjorn Helgi Beda 16

Many thanks to Ivan Khan for his work!

Disclaimer: the results depend on the correctness of the source relationship matrix and the used assumptions about the morale system. I accept no responsibility for any possible errors due to erroneous source information or for any reason whatsoever. This was done purely for fun so use at your own risk.
 

Phoenix VII

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The charts look good. Is there also a list of which companions are nobles or not? I just found out the hard way that Bodo isn't a noble even though it sounded like from dialogue that he was (granted, he never explicitly said he was).
 

Piédalf

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Lohi-soturi said:
Hi,

I had previously only played the storyline through but I've found new interest in VC with  the reforged open beta and yesterday I decided to have a look at the sandbox mode.
Naturally I wanted to have stable party listings aswell for VC so today I had a look at the forum and found this thread.

I just took Ivan Khan's relationship matrix (great work! - hopefully I didn't add any typos) and fed it to my old program (which had produced the Brytenwalda stable party listings).
There is of course no guarantee that the morale system works the same as in bw, but here is the output anyway (terminology and methods as in my old Brytenwalda thread (http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,183844.0.html) ):

Strictly stable parties with 8 members:

1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.extra moralemorale penalty
Party_#1Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 50
Party_#2Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 40

Strictly stable parties with 7 members:
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.extra moralemorale penalty
Party_#1Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn 60
Party_#2Caio Donnchadh Morgant Reginhard Helgi Ailchu Agathinos 60
Party_#3Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Beda 60
Party_#4Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Beda 50
Party_#5Brunhild Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 50
Party_#6Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Agathinos 40
Party_#7Caio Brunhild Morgant Bodo Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn 40
Party_#8Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Ailchu Agathinos 40
Party_#9Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu 40
Party_#10Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 40
Party_#11Caio Donnchadh Morgant Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 40
Party_#12Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn 40
Party_#13Brunhild Morgant Bodo Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 40
Party_#14Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 40
Party_#15Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Beda 40
Party_#16Caio Egil Donnchadh Bodo Reginhard Ailchu Agathinos 30
Party_#17Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Beda 30
Party_#18Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 30
Party_#19Brunhild Morgant Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 30
Party_#20Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 30
Party_#21Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Beda 30
Party_#22Caio Brunhild Morgant Bodo Clovis Ceawlin Agathinos 20
Party_#23Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu 20
Party_#24Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Agathinos 20
Party_#25Caio Donnchadh Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 20
Party_#26Caio Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 20
Party_#27Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Agathinos 20
Party_#28Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Beda 20
Party_#29Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 20
Party_#30Brunhild Morgant Dwywei Ceawlin Asbjorn Helgi Beda 10
Party_#31Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Beda 10
Party_#32Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Beda 10
Party_#33Caio Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Agathinos 00
Party_#34Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Agathinos 00



Stable parties with 9 members:
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.extra moralemorale penalty
Party_#1Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 44
Party_#2Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 24
Party_#3Caio Egil Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 26
Party_#4Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 26
Party_#5Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Solveig Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#6Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Asbjorn Helgi Ailchu Beda 16


Stable parties with 8 members:
1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.extra moralemorale penalty
Party_#1Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ceawlin Asbjorn Beda 50
Party_#2Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 40
Party_#3Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Beda 52
Party_#4Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 42
Party_#5Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 42
Party_#6Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Beda 32
Party_#7Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 32
Party_#8Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 22
Party_#9Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Beda 12
Party_#10Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 44
Party_#11Donnchadh Morgant Dwywei Reginhard Helgi Ailchu Agathinos Beda 44
Party_#12Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Clovis Solveig Ailchu Agathinos 34
Party_#13Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 34
Party_#14Caio Egil Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Ailchu Agathinos 24
Party_#15Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Reginhard Clovis Helgi Agathinos 24
Party_#16Caio Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 24
Party_#17Caio Brunhild Morgant Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 24
Party_#18Caio Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Asbjorn Helgi Ailchu 24
Party_#19Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 24
Party_#20Brunhild Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 24
Party_#21Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Ailchu Agathinos Beda 24
Party_#22Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 24
Party_#23Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Reginhard Asbjorn Helgi Ailchu Beda 24
Party_#24Donnchadh Morgant Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 24
Party_#25Brunhild Morgant Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Helgi Beda 14
Party_#26Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Ceawlin Asbjorn Helgi Beda 14
Party_#27Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Asbjorn Helgi Ailchu Beda 14
Party_#28Caio Brunhild Morgant Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Helgi Agathinos 04
Party_#29Brunhild Morgant Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Ceawlin Helgi Agathinos 04
Party_#30Caio Egil Brunhild Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 26
Party_#31Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Dwywei Clovis Ailchu Agathinos Beda 26
Party_#32Caio Brunhild Bodo Clovis Solveig Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#33Egil Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#34Egil Brunhild Bodo Dwywei Clovis Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#35Brunhild Donnchadh Morgant Dwywei Reginhard Clovis Helgi Beda 16
Party_#36Brunhild Donnchadh Bodo Clovis Solveig Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#37Brunhild Bodo Dwywei Clovis Solveig Asbjorn Ailchu Agathinos 16
Party_#38Donnchadh Morgant Bodo Dwywei Reginhard Asbjorn Helgi Beda 16

Many thanks to Ivan Khan for his work!

Disclaimer: the results depend on the correctness of the source relationship matrix and the used assumptions about the morale system. I accept no responsibility for any possible errors due to erroneous source information or for any reason whatsoever. This was done purely for fun so use at your own risk.
I'm pretty sure you missed Solveig: she is nowhere in your list.

That topic is very important with reforged
 

Lohi-soturi

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Piédalf said:
I'm pretty sure you missed Solveig: she is nowhere in your list.

That topic is very important with reforged
No, I didn't. If you take a look at the Ivan Khan's relationships information you'll notice that nobody likes Solveig and she is hated by three. Now how likely you think it is that a person like that is going to show up in the largest stable parties listing?

As a matter of fact: even if she  is not present in the 8 member strictly stable parties,  she is present at one of  9 member stable parties, albeit it's one with relatively many members with morale penalties. I know that because I am using that exact  party configuration in my own game at the moment. (Solveig is one my favorite companions.)
 

Piédalf

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Lohi-soturi said:
Piédalf said:
I'm pretty sure you missed Solveig: she is nowhere in your list.

That topic is very important with reforged
No, I didn't. If you take a look at the Ivan Khan's relationships information you'll notice that nobody likes Solveig and she is hated by three. Now how likely you think it is that a person like that is going to show up in the largest stable parties listing?

As a matter of fact: even if she  is not present in the 8 member strictly stable parties,  she is present at one of  9 member stable parties, albeit it's one with relatively many members with morale penalties. I know that because I am using that exact  party configuration in my own game at the moment. (Solveig is one my favorite companions.)
I see, the number 5. Do you also add Morgant? It makes 10 companions and looks stable to me.
 

Lohi-soturi

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Piédalf said:
I see, the number 5. Do you also Morgant? It makes 10 companions and looks stable to me.
Adding Morgant would mean that there are two people who dislike Solveig in the party, which means that the party is by definition no longer stable. If Ivan Khans relationship information is correct (and it seems to be!) the parties I've listed earlier are the maximal parties that satisfy the conditions for "strictly stable" or "stable", I.e. one cannot add anyone to the listed 8 member  stable parties or the 9 member stable parties without breaking those definitions.

As noted earlier in this thread, with good enough persuasion and/or gifting bracelets one can keep even all the companions together. But it's harder and hence I do not consider those party  compositions stable. See the Brytenwalda thread about this subject for explanations what is meant by stable and strictly stable in these lists.
 

matlock14

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Lohi-soturi said:
Piédalf said:
I see, the number 5. Do you also Morgant? It makes 10 companions and looks stable to me.
Adding Morgant would mean that there are two people who dislike Solveig in the party, which means that the party is by definition no longer stable. If Ivan Khans relationship information is correct (and it seems to be!) the parties I've listed earlier are the maximal parties that satisfy the conditions for "strictly stable" or "stable", I.e. one cannot add anyone to the listed 8 member  stable parties or the 9 member stable parties without breaking those definitions.

As noted earlier in this thread, with good enough persuasion and/or gifting bracelets one can keep even all the companions together. But it's harder and hence I do not consider those party  compositions stable. See the Brytenwalda thread about this subject for explanations what is meant by stable and strictly stable in these lists.
Thanks for the good work.

Just want to add there are more combinations.

For example, if you want Solveig, this 9 member party is also stable:
You cam replace Dwywei with Donnchadh, it's still stable
11. Solveig      L-Brunhild          d-Reginhard        d-Egil                0-Like, 3-Hate   
15. Agathinos  L-Ailchu              d-Asbjorn            d-Beda              2-Like, 1-Hate
7. Dwywei      L-Beda              d-Donnchadh      d-Caio            0-Like, 2-Hate
6. Bodo          L-Asbjorn          d-Helgi              d-Solveig          1-Like, 0-Hate
2. Egil              L-Brunhild        d-Clovis            d-Morgant          1-Like, 5-Hate
12. Asbjorn    L-Bodo                d-Agathinos        d-Reginhard      1-Like, 2-Hate
14. Ailchu        L-Agathinos        d-Ceawlin            d-Brunhild        1-Like, 2-Hate
3. Brunhild      L-Clovis            d-Reginhard    d-Ailchu              3-Like, 2-Hate
9. Clovis        L-Brunhild          d-Egil                  d-Helgi            1-Like, 2-Hate

Also, You can have 10 member stable party, with Solveig as well. e.g.
11. Solveig      L-Brunhild          d-Reginhard        d-Egil                0-Like, 3-Hate   
15. Agathinos  L-Ailchu              d-Asbjorn            d-Beda              2-Like, 1-Hate
1. Caio            L-Egil                d-Beda            d-Dwywei            0-Like, 1-Hate
6. Bodo          L-Asbjorn          d-Helgi              d-Solveig          1-Like, 0-Hate
5. Morgant      L-Donnchadh      d-Solveig          d-Egil                1-Like, 1-Hate
4. Donnchadh  L-Morgant          d-Dwywei          d-Ceawlin          1-Like, 2-Hate
12. Asbjorn    L-Bodo                d-Agathinos        d-Reginhard      1-Like, 2-Hate
14. Ailchu        L-Agathinos        d-Ceawlin            d-Brunhild        1-Like, 2-Hate
3. Brunhild      L-Clovis            d-Reginhard    d-Ailchu              3-Like, 2-Hate
9. Clovis        L-Brunhild          d-Egil                  d-Helgi            1-Like, 2-Hate
 

Lohi-soturi

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matlock14 said:
Thanks for the good work.

Just want to add there are more combinations.

For example, if you want Solveig, this 9 member party is also stable:
You cam replace Dwywei with Donnchadh, it's still stable
11. Solveig      L-Brunhild          d-Reginhard        d-Egil                0-Like, 3-Hate   
15. Agathinos  L-Ailchu              d-Asbjorn            d-Beda              2-Like, 1-Hate
7. Dwywei      L-Beda              d-Donnchadh      d-Caio            0-Like, 2-Hate
6. Bodo          L-Asbjorn          d-Helgi              d-Solveig          1-Like, 0-Hate
2. Egil              L-Brunhild        d-Clovis            d-Morgant          1-Like, 5-Hate
12. Asbjorn    L-Bodo                d-Agathinos        d-Reginhard      1-Like, 2-Hate
14. Ailchu        L-Agathinos        d-Ceawlin            d-Brunhild        1-Like, 2-Hate
3. Brunhild      L-Clovis            d-Reginhard    d-Ailchu              3-Like, 2-Hate
9. Clovis        L-Brunhild          d-Egil                  d-Helgi            1-Like, 2-Hate

Also, You can have 10 member stable party, with Solveig as well. e.g.
11. Solveig      L-Brunhild          d-Reginhard        d-Egil                0-Like, 3-Hate   
15. Agathinos  L-Ailchu              d-Asbjorn            d-Beda              2-Like, 1-Hate
1. Caio            L-Egil                d-Beda            d-Dwywei            0-Like, 1-Hate
6. Bodo          L-Asbjorn          d-Helgi              d-Solveig          1-Like, 0-Hate
5. Morgant      L-Donnchadh      d-Solveig          d-Egil                1-Like, 1-Hate
4. Donnchadh  L-Morgant          d-Dwywei          d-Ceawlin          1-Like, 2-Hate
12. Asbjorn    L-Bodo                d-Agathinos        d-Reginhard      1-Like, 2-Hate
14. Ailchu        L-Agathinos        d-Ceawlin            d-Brunhild        1-Like, 2-Hate
3. Brunhild      L-Clovis            d-Reginhard    d-Ailchu              3-Like, 2-Hate
9. Clovis        L-Brunhild          d-Egil                  d-Helgi            1-Like, 2-Hate
We obviously have a different definition of stable. Here is mine:

a stable party is group where all members either

[list type=decimal]

[*]have no unwelcome persons in the group, or

[*]have at most one unwelcome person  in the group while also having a person that they like
[/list]
where unwelcome means any person who is either disliked by or who dislikes the member in question.

Any party that is not stable is called unstable. A strictly stable party is a stable party whose all members have no one they dislike in the group (equal to condition 1 of stable party).

This system stems from the Brytenwalda mod, where it was noticed that being only disliked by other person (but not disliking that person back) had the same effect on person's morale as disliking the other person herself. So although dislikes might be asymmetrical they still have the same effect as normal warbands symmetrical dislikes, hence the definition of unwelcome above. Since nobody has verified whether likes are also in practice symmetrical, they were only counted when explicitly declared (i.e. only one way).

In your first party both Clovis and Solveig dislike Egil.
In your second party both Bodo and Morgant dislike Solveig.
 

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Lohi-soturi said:
We obviously have a different definition of stable. Here is mine:

a stable party is group where all members either

[list type=decimal]

[*]have no unwelcome persons in the group, or

[*]have at most one unwelcome person  in the group while also having a person that they like
[/list]
where unwelcome means any person who is either disliked by or who dislikes the member in question.

Any party that is not stable is called unstable. A strictly stable party is a stable party whose all members have no one they dislike in the group (equal to condition 1 of stable party).

This system stems from the Brytenwalda mod, where it was noticed that being only disliked by other person (but not disliking that person back) had the same effect on person's morale as disliking the other person herself. So although dislikes might be asymmetrical they still have the same effect as normal warbands symmetrical dislikes, hence the definition of unwelcome above. Since nobody has verified whether likes are also in practice symmetrical, they were only counted when explicitly declared (i.e. only one way).

In your first party both Clovis and Solveig dislike Egil.
In your second party both Bodo and Morgant dislike Solveig.
Thanks for the clarifications Sir.
I simply thought one like cancels the dislike. so they cannot be disliked either.
The party you listed are the only ones that's stable, I think my experience in RE agreed with that.
 

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Is there a new thread about the Reforged edition or we can continue this one? I'm asking in case some changes were introduced, because I believe some things might have changed. Here's my experience:

Egil never said he likes Brunhild and, at some point, he wanted to leave. I hoped that the girl could compensate for Clovis, but I was wrong. I don't remember how low was the party morale at time, so there is that.

Bodo said he dislikes Solveig but, as far as I remember, he never said he likes Asbjorn (I'm not 100% sure about this one, either). Asbjorn said he likes Bodo, though. When asked about the situation in the party, he's downright appalled at my choice of companions. He wanted to leave too, so now I have to keep the general morale higher than 60 to have him a bit happy.

My current party is: Solveig - Ceawlin - Caio - Brunhild - Clovis - Bodo - Asbjorn
 

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Flavius Drusus said:
Is there a new thread about the Reforged edition or we can continue this one? I'm asking in case some changes were introduced, because I believe some things might have changed. Here's my experience:

Egil never said he likes Brunhild and, at some point, he wanted to leave. I hoped that the girl could compensate for Clovis, but I was wrong. I don't remember how low was the party morale at time, so there is that.

Bodo said he dislikes Solveig but, as far as I remember, he never said he likes Asbjorn (I'm not 100% sure about this one, either). Asbjorn said he likes Bodo, though. When asked about the situation in the party, he's downright appalled at my choice of companions. He wanted to leave too, so now I have to keep the general morale higher than 60 to have him a bit happy.

My current party is: Solveig - Ceawlin - Caio - Brunhild - Clovis - Bodo - Asbjorn
there were changes with RE and patchs since 2.0 like in 2.010 ish, so I would say start a new chart :XD for RE 2.1 (final patch)

 

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1- Caio l 0 d 0                                        0 0
2- Brunhild l Clovis d Ailchu                      1 1 
3- Donnachadh l Morgant d Ceawlin          1 1 
4- Morgant l Donnachadh d Solvieg          1 1 
5- Bodo l Asbjorn d Solvieg                      1 1
6- Clovis l Brunhild d 0                            1 0
7- Ceawlin l Solvieg d Ailchu Donnachad    1 2
8- Solveig l Brunhild d 0                          1 0
9- Asbjorn l Bodo d Agathinos                  1 1
10- Ailchu l Agathinos d Ceawlin Brunhil    1 2   
11- Agathinos l Ailchu d Asbjorn              1 1 


I understand that this party isnt in the list of stables, the problem is that Ceawlin and Ailchu are going to eventually leave my party?