Dev Blog 11/01/18

[parsehtml]<p><img class="frame" src="http://www.taleworlds.com/Images/News/blog_post_22_taleworldswebsite_575.jpg" alt="" width="575" height="290" /></p> <p>To the south of the imperial heartland lies the Nahasa, the Bronze Desert, ringed by mountains, hammered by the sun. A traveller coming over the passes from greener lands would first see fields of dunes broken by gravel plains and volcanic outcrops, shimmering under the heat haze. But there is water to be found underground, trapped in depressions or beneath the wadis where the occasional flash flood rumbles by. And in these oases people have settled. They are divided into dozens of clans and sub-clans, each with its elaborate genealogy, but are collectively known as the Banu Asera or the Aserai after the legendary patriarch Asera, whom they all claim as an ancestor.</p></br> [/parsehtml]Read more at: http://www.taleworlds.com/en/Games/Bannerlord/Blog/41

 

[Sporehead2]

QESTION: In the past there have been hints at a Oriental Society in form of a samurai piece of Armor (easter egg?), will this be something that will be further explored in Game or as a Searaider type thing on another shore?

FYI: I love the Idea of having an underlying story like that which might lead to a bigger Narrative. (feel free to hire me as a writer free of charge )

 

[Syndrella]

Horned helmets wasn't used at all by the nords. Those were celtic helmets but that was not used by the majority because the "classic" horned helmets was useless and added plus extra weight to the helmets. It is just a myth what is still peoples think they have had.

It has other disadvantages as well.
Apart from being harder to craft, you give a thing to your enemy to grab you from your head.

My point was that many more people would be offended (perhaps including some of those who opposed me when I said scimitar isnt orginally Arab) if sth about nords(if they existed in BL too) was also mispresented. 

That is partly true because peoples want to look like more intelligent than they are and if they proved wrong then they trying to defend their pride. All in all this game is really just a fantasy game with real world inspirations but when the game will be released there will be a tons of mods and features whish will be released aswell and improve the game. And yes maybe, I knew only that the curved swords and the early type of scimitars were more likely turkish-persian-mongolian inventions but many many steppe strider nation or tribes used it because it was an advantage of in that warfrare what they did with each others.

The european style sword was more popular in all the places just like in the ancient babylon and assirs used aswell these kind of swords because of the advantages what these could given. This not close the option to not have curved swords however because simultanously in the world multiple places developed similar weaponry. There were also copy pastes like how this happend in all era of humanity.

All what we have the relics which remained from the past but a lot of stuffs also lost or was not found documents for it.

Off topic - What faction would you like to join to this game as the original game? I personally would like to have some kind of pirate-mercenaries with greekish influence or byzantian style. I know the empire is the closest to it but slightly different because it could be more likely roman than byzantine.

Also what mod would you like to have when the game released?

I cant imagine the sh*tstorm that would come to me if I said ''Chill, Calradia is fantasy not real World!''

People are merciless to stereotypes that they know wrong but when they first learn about a stereotype that they also believed they aggresively defend it. Not everyone ofc but majority.

 

[Duchess Skye]

People are merciless to stereotypes that they know wrong but when they first learn about a stereotype that they also believed they aggresively defend it. Not everyone ofc but majority.

Ah, that is exactly what I was trying to say, albeit failing spectacularly.

 

[Innocent Flower]

QESTION: In the past there have been hints at a Oriental Society in form of a samurai piece of Armor (easter egg?), will this be something that will be further explored in Game or as a Searaider type thing on another shore?

FYI: I love the Idea of having an underlying story like that which might lead to a bigger Narrative. (feel free to hire me as a writer free of charge )

If we get some orient, I really hope it isn't japanese based. India, China, SE asia are all much closer, produce interesting goods that went west along the roads, and are full of inspiring wonder. Japan is way over represented in popular culture.

 

[FBohler]

This rant is useless, since Aserai =/= Arab and Calradia =/= Real World.

 

[Balexander]

i speak it loud and clear so everyone does understand it = CALRADIA IS A ****ING FANTASY WORLD  shock or xD

 

[vota dc]

Tradition is important.
In the original M&B we already have Harlaus that is feasting until death. This is a swadian tradition that is more important than life itself. No matter if the other kingdoms are invading, a real Swadian must feast.
So if we have a status symbol like Sturgia with horned helmets, Aserai with curved swords, battanian women going into battle naked, imperials fighting on chariots atop the mountains, Vlandians charging with horse against your castle walls.....well are all welcome features.

 

[LanceShield]

Tradition is important.

I always thought this way of portraiting cultures by forcing them to stick to a fighting style like either horse archers, heavy knights, only foot, only foot + crossbows.... is wrong. In history when a culture developed a new tactic that outclassed the traditional ones, it was quickly adopted by every other culture it met. Even if there are no means to train horse archers quickly in a country, I'm sure they would find a way to train a few light cavalry troops simply because not having any at all would be stupid.
But it's ok, it can be easily modded later, no big problem

 

[Duchess Skye]

This rant is useless, since Aserai =/= Arab and Calradia =/= Real World.

And yet if a viking faction existed and had horned helmets you'd be the one to rant probably.

Tradition is important.
In the original M&B we already have Harlaus that is feasting until death. This is a swadian tradition that is more important than life itself. No matter if the other kingdoms are invading, a real Swadian must feast.
So if we have a status symbol like Sturgia with horned helmets, Aserai with curved swords, battanian women going into battle naked, imperials fighting on chariots atop the mountains, Vlandians charging with horse against your castle walls.....well are all welcome features.

That'd be way too much for my suspension of disbelief...

 

[Innocent Flower]

Tradition is important.
In the original M&B we already have Harlaus that is feasting until death. This is a swadian tradition that is more important than life itself. No matter if the other kingdoms are invading, a real Swadian must feast.
So if we have a status symbol like Sturgia with horned helmets, Aserai with curved swords, battanian women going into battle naked, imperials fighting on chariots atop the mountains, Vlandians charging with horse against your castle walls.....well are all welcome features.

This is really a mater of context/consistency, you can either go all in on the crazy, and it'll be greatest thing ever known, or put your stock into historic and practical stuffs, and it'll be great, but if you have some things perfectly accurate, and other things outlandishly crazy, then things go downhill when you're not treating factions fairly.


@FBOHLER
Do you have a single other point besides the one you've expressed a hundred times. I get that if you repeat yourself a lot you'll get into people's heads, but you're not being constructive. 

 

[578]

Oh look more recruits having pointless discussions about realism because they don't understand that MnB is not a historical game. You want realism? Go play Kingdom come: Deliverance.

 

[Duchess Skye]

Oh look more recruits having pointless discussions about realism because they don't understand that MnB is not a historical game. You want realism? Go play Kingdom come: Deliverance.

Well let me ask you a question, and be sincere now.
Wouldn't you be the one complaining if a viking faction existed and they suddenly got horned helmets?

 

[Sebidee]

Oh look more recruits having pointless discussions about realism because they don't understand that MnB is not a historical game. You want realism? Go play Kingdom come: Deliverance.

Yeah, that's the charm of MnB, they don't have to follow history completely and can change things to make the game more interesting or to make gameplay better!

 

[KhergitLancer80]

Oh look more recruits having pointless discussions about realism because they don't understand that MnB is not a historical game. You want realism? Go play Kingdom come: Deliverance.

Calling them recruit is ad Hominem. Criticize their opinions not their forum rank.I have seen many grandmaster knights coming up with idiotic suggestions.

I am fine with scimitars in Aserai faction but I am 1000% sure that you would cry textwalls if Nords were in Bannerlord too and they had horned helmets.

If you are aware of the fact that this isnt a historical game why did you ehm...


''Also, I'm still salty as **** at you TW because you have mentioned multiple times that Sturgians are viking styled, lethal axemen. Instead we get an overglorified refugee camp as a nation with the master race as a minor faction. Whoever made that decision I hope you get moved to Electronic arts forever.''

''I also understand your concern about pop-vikings but this is exactly why I'm salty. Because Bannerlord will have the chance to portray scandinavian themed nations based on the 'viking' era as it was and not how people believe. A nation of travelling traders, raiders and the thirst of battle. With Jarls, a king and in general how it really was.''

Especially this one:

''That's exactly why I want TW to input scandinavian inspired nations, because they WILL make it right.''

Say whatever you want if what I said was the case you would BURN this forums.

Horned helmets wasn't used at all by the nords. Those were celtic helmets but that was not used by the majority because the "classic" horned helmets was useless and added plus extra weight to the helmets. It is just a myth what is still peoples think they have had.

It has other disadvantages as well.
Apart from being harder to craft, you give a thing to your enemy to grab you from your head.

My point was that many more people would be offended (perhaps including some of those who opposed me when I said scimitar isnt orginally Arab) if sth about nords(if they existed in BL too) was also mispresented.

I cant imagine the sh*tstorm that would come to me if I said ''Chill, Calradia is fantasy not real World!''

People are merciless to stereotypes that they know wrong but when they first learn about a stereotype that they also believed they aggresively defend it. Not everyone ofc but majority.

Man I am right again lol.Thanks for proving my point 578.

 

[578]

Oh look more recruits having pointless discussions about realism because they don't understand that MnB is not a historical game. You want realism? Go play Kingdom come: Deliverance.

Calling them recruit is ad Hominem. Criticize their opinions not their forum rank.I have seen many grandmaster knights coming up with idiotic suggestions.

I am fine with scimitars in Aserai faction but I am 1000% sure that you would cry textwalls if Nords were in Bannerlord too and they had horned helmets.

If you are aware of the fact that this isnt a historical game why did you ehm...


''Also, I'm still salty as **** at you TW because you have mentioned multiple times that Sturgians are viking styled, lethal axemen. Instead we get an overglorified refugee camp as a nation with the master race as a minor faction. Whoever made that decision I hope you get moved to Electronic arts forever.''

''I also understand your concern about pop-vikings but this is exactly why I'm salty. Because Bannerlord will have the chance to portray scandinavian themed nations based on the 'viking' era as it was and not how people believe. A nation of travelling traders, raiders and the thirst of battle. With Jarls, a king and in general how it really was.''

Especially this one:

''That's exactly why I want TW to input scandinavian inspired nations, because they WILL make it right.''

Say whatever you want if what I said was the case you would BURN this forums.

Ι said that because they can take historically inspired factions and can make them believable and realistic looking when it comes to armor, fighting etc. I do not expect them to have exact mirrors of historical factions nor I expect them to copy every little detail and paste them onto a faction.  And yes, believe it or not there are ways to make horned helmets look realistic even if they never existed. There is always a line between over the top and believable. Your counter arguement fails here. Also, can we drop the whole 'horned helmets' arguement? It's the certified 'im 10 years old and i have nothing to say'' phrase at this point in the internet.

 

[KhergitLancer80]

+578
 
Lol whoever will read this is going to think that you are completely fine with everything as long as they are believeable.

I ask you then why did you turn ''Strugia being inspired by Kievan Rus'' into a problem ?
Your favourite unit is Nordic huscarls right ?
They will both be in MP and in SP with the same armor right ?
Nords were never known for their cavalry and with Bannerlord Nordic Huscarls will enjoy the alliance of some decent Kievan Rus cavalry.

Your only problem was that in a textwall of which devs post once a week it says they are inspired by Kievan Rus.
If there was a version of you who wasnt interested in Vikings he would say sth like ''I cant believe people are being butthurt over a textwall. Strugians are not Kievan Rus anyways the game just took inspiration from them. You will have your favourite huscarl and instead of trash cav you will enjoy decent cav.''

Now it is funny how you get angry on people who also care about ''these inspirations'' too and yeah it clearly says that Aserai are based on pre-islam Arabs and because of this some people may not want scimitars since Arabs didnt have it until Islam was 200 years old.
For me their point is even more valid than yours. At least Strugia fits to the historical state it is inspired on according to the devblog.
Also I wouldnt call scimitar a little detail.

For me, I dont care about neither of them.I am fine with both Strugians and Aserai having curved swords but I just find people who care about their fav factions lore and inspirations and find others do it stupid hypocritical.

EDIT:Not that I would(or anyone who knows a bit of you) believe if there was a completely Viking inspired faction in BL you would be fine with them having horned helmet. I just dropped that arguement because you said so.

 

[578]

+578
 
Lol whoever will read this is going to think that you are completely fine with everything as long as they are believeable.

I ask you then why did you turn ''Strugia being inspired by Kievan Rus'' into a problem ?
Your favourite unit is Nordic huscarls right ?
They will both be in MP and in SP with the same armor right ?
Nords were never known for their cavalry and with Bannerlord Nordic Huscarls will enjoy the alliance of some decent Kievan Rus cavalry.

Your only problem was that in a textwall of which devs post once a week it says they are inspired by Kievan Rus.
If there was a version of you who wasnt interested in Vikings he would say sth like ''I cant believe people are being butthurt over a textwall. Strugians are not Kievan Rus anyways the game just took inspiration from them. You will have your favourite huscarl and instead of trash cav you will enjoy decent cav.''

Now it is funny how you get angry on people who also care about ''these inspirations'' too and yeah it clearly says that Aserai are based on pre-islam Arabs and because of this some people may not want scimitars since Arabs didnt have it until Islam was 200 years old.
For me their point is even more valid then yours. At least Strugia fits to the historical state it is inspired on according to the devblog.
Also I wouldnt call scimitar a little detail.

For me, I dont care about neither of them.I am fine with both Strugians and Aserai having curved swords but I just find people who care about their fav factions lore and inspirations and find others do it stupid hypocritical.

EDIT:Not that I would(or anyone who knows a bit of you) believe if there was a completely Viking inspired faction in BL you would be fine with them having horned helmet. I just dropped that arguement because you said so.

Yes, making things look believable should be a priority.  Also yeah, Kievan Rus look vastly uninteresting tbh but so do Sturgians because they are obviously changed since the very first reveal to a some kind of ****ty jack of all trades faction. Kievan Rus as an inspiration has nothing to do with it. I turned nothing to a problem, it was an opinion .

 

[AmateurHetman]

I propose we have aserai with horned helemets and give the Sturgians big turbans.

 

[kalarhan]

I propose we have aserai with horned helemets and give the Sturgians big turbans.

lh2mod and you can have a minor faction of shieldmaidens too. Go crazy!

 

[AmateurHetman]

I propose we have aserai with horned helemets and give the Sturgians big turbans.

lh2mod and you can have a minor faction of shieldmaidens too. Go crazy!

Shieldmaidens or milkmaidens.... like a milk maid but armed to the teeth.
Those existed in Calradia once, until the great cow pox epidemic killed them all off.