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<p>In previous instalments of our weekly updates, we introduced you to the major powers of Calradia and talked about the historical influences that we used as a foundation for creating our own take on the early medieval period. In this week’s blog, we thought it would be nice to put a face to a name, so to speak, by sharing each of the factions’ banners with you. After all, this is Mount & Blade II: <em>Bannerlord…</em></p></br> [/parsehtml]Read more at: http://www.taleworlds.com/en/Games/Bannerlord/Blog/58
Dev Blog 03/05/18
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*reads someone's dissertation on Vikings in russia.
This is/was a pretty controversial subject in russia, since there's a theory that Slavs made Rus, which happens to be good for the national spirit, and a theory that the Norse essentially came over, brought order to waring tribes and founded a few of their cities, which of course isn't very popular in russia, especially considering the regimes they've had that have fostered nationalism. There are of course middle ground views.
But, it's generally obvious that either the Norse (as anything other than mercenaries) left very quickly or they disappeared into the Russian culture, because outside of how things are governed there's no Scandinavian influence in art, language etc. And that's really the important thing; It's not really fitting to use norse art for anything but the Varangian subfaction.
This is/was a pretty controversial subject in russia, since there's a theory that Slavs made Rus, which happens to be good for the national spirit, and a theory that the Norse essentially came over, brought order to waring tribes and founded a few of their cities, which of course isn't very popular in russia, especially considering the regimes they've had that have fostered nationalism. There are of course middle ground views.
But, it's generally obvious that either the Norse (as anything other than mercenaries) left very quickly or they disappeared into the Russian culture, because outside of how things are governed there's no Scandinavian influence in art, language etc. And that's really the important thing; It's not really fitting to use norse art for anything but the Varangian subfaction.
zabfalat said:Well, we haven't see the minor faction's flags yet. Maybe they have a better one. Maybe in the next blog.
assuming that each lord will have a banner (besides their faction banner) that means we havent seem most banners in the game
for that faction, as a example, they could have Rus-like banners for lords, while the king is using a Scandinavia-like one.
Bustah said:
I think, given that BL is before WB, having a single lion makes more sense than having multiple. As royal/noble families married into each other, they started to combine crests and heraldry, which would lead to the more complicated designs, but during the earlier period crests tended to be simpler
FBohler said:
I'm gonna go with this being the reason
because pretty much every fantasy faction ever is either an expy of an existing culture or a very, very hard attempt at not being that, which tends to still fail and resemble a real life culture.
the fantasy argument is a handwave which serves no one.
the fantasy argument is a handwave which serves no one.
FBohler said:
BECAUSE OF GIANT BOLD LETTERING.
Innocent Flower said:
So we know that the Swedes were active in the Rus. We just don't know exactly how active they were and how much influence they had. So how exactly is it wrong for Taleworlds to create a more Norse influenced Russia than not? They made a decision based on their vision of Sturgia.
KhergitLancer80
Banned
I kind of agree with the people who complain about the Strugia's banner. I mean if you are going to base the faction ''on the federation of predominantly Slavic city states known as Kievan Rus'' why do you leave these people's enthusiasm half way down ?
Give the Viking like banner to the Varangian minor faction and give the main faction a historical city state banner such as this:
this one is a bit overused but a pretty cool seal and coat of arms symbol in my opinion:
Edit:Kolovrat also seems fine.
Give the Viking like banner to the Varangian minor faction and give the main faction a historical city state banner such as this:
this one is a bit overused but a pretty cool seal and coat of arms symbol in my opinion:
Edit:Kolovrat also seems fine.
If you're going to grab attention, it'd be good to have something to say.FBohler said:
KarlXII said:
We know a decent aproximation of how active they were and how much influence they had. The interpretation of Taleworlds is distinctly outside of high and low estimates.
And of course, it would be really easy for them to put all the norse stuff into the norse faction. It's not like they have to scrap anything. If Vlandia has a norse subfaction, as it should do, based on normans, then we'll have two viking groups among different factions. There might even be a batanian nord faction, given viking incursions into Ireland and such. Hell, every faction can have a nord minor faction in, those dudes spread like crazy. But they don't need to water down a culture.
White Lion
Regular
I really love the Sturgian and the Vlandian banners, good job TaleWorlds.
Innocent Flower said:
During the 6th and 7th centuries, traders from Scandinavia began to work
through the Slavic lands, moving along the great rivers of western Russia,
which run south to north - particularly the Dnieper. Through this route the
Norse traders were able to reach the Byzantine Empire, and a regular,
flourishing trade developed between Scandinavia and Constantinople. Luxury
products from Byzantium and the Arab world traveled north, in return for furs
and other relatively crude products. The Scandinavian traders, militarily
superior to the Slavs, gradually set up some governments along their trade
route, particularly in the city of Kiev. A monarchy emerged, and according to
legend a man named Rurik, a native of Denmark, became the first king of Russia
around A.D. 855. The Kievan kingdom, though still loosely organized through
alliances with regional, landed aristocrats, flourished until the 12th
century. It was from the Scandinavians also that the word Russia was coined,
possibly from a Greek word for red, which applied to the hair color of many of
the Norse traders. In turn, the Scandinavian minority gradually mingled with
the Slavic population, particularly among the aristocracy.
through the Slavic lands, moving along the great rivers of western Russia,
which run south to north - particularly the Dnieper. Through this route the
Norse traders were able to reach the Byzantine Empire, and a regular,
flourishing trade developed between Scandinavia and Constantinople. Luxury
products from Byzantium and the Arab world traveled north, in return for furs
and other relatively crude products. The Scandinavian traders, militarily
superior to the Slavs, gradually set up some governments along their trade
route, particularly in the city of Kiev. A monarchy emerged, and according to
legend a man named Rurik, a native of Denmark, became the first king of Russia
around A.D. 855. The Kievan kingdom, though still loosely organized through
alliances with regional, landed aristocrats, flourished until the 12th
century. It was from the Scandinavians also that the word Russia was coined,
possibly from a Greek word for red, which applied to the hair color of many of
the Norse traders. In turn, the Scandinavian minority gradually mingled with
the Slavic population, particularly among the aristocracy.
Source: http://history-world.org/BYZ4.htm
As with all things history, we will never know the exact details, but if Sturgia is modeled after the early Rus then there should be heavy Norse influences because that was the culture. Also, if the aristocracy is Norse, then it makes sense for the heraldry to be... Norse.
And it doesn't matter if you don't subscribe to the Norse theory but many people do. No one is "wrong" nor "right" because we'll never know for sure. There is evidence to support the norse theory and Taleworlds has decided to go with that. Whoop de do.
Now, is it a good decision for the game's sake? Depends. I think it's cool. A hybrid norse-slav faction is neat since the classic "viking" is overdone. Could they have ditched the Norse stuff altogether? Sure. I don't really care either way. I just want a fleshed out faction that has an interesting backstory.
Wilhelmus Van Laecken
Regular
I would have chosen a more interesting beast myself for the Vlandian charge. An Alphyn, Tyger, a Theow...
Dunno, a regular lion just seems rather bland and blasé. Also reminds me of a certain family who is really good at paying debts. Hmm.. Brilliant otherwise.
Dunno, a regular lion just seems rather bland and blasé. Also reminds me of a certain family who is really good at paying debts. Hmm.. Brilliant otherwise.
Bustah
Regular
Mithril♡Souls said:I would have chosen a more interesting beast myself for the Vlandian charge. An Alphyn, Tyger, a Theow...
Dunno, a regular lion just seems rather bland and blasé. Also reminds me of a certain family who is really good at paying debts. Hmm.. Brilliant otherwise.
Yeah I would much rather have a wolf or some weird wolf goat hybrid whose name means "slave" as my heraldic symbol, and not a majestic lion.
Roccoflipside said:
BL is before WB but still based around eleventh century. Most Europeans had already abandoned the monolithic 1 symbol style of heraldry and were incorporating multiple elements or at least multiple of the same thing. Most of the ones that were just one element were more than 2 tone and had an interesting or specific symbol, like a certain kind of cross or an image of national importance. Basically I want more lions. Add them to all the flags.
No I am not claiming they originated there, I was theorizing that maybe the banner color got inspired from the harsh weather of the settlers' homeland, being like the Greenland and Iceland we know and their new homeland(which is inspired from our world's Russia) which still has a cold environment. The blog did mention that the color of their banner symbolizes the harsh weather they have to endure which could point towards both their homeland and new homeland, symbolizing their adaptation to cold weather. Since the blog mentioned they sailed from their homeland, this proves Sturgia has some viking like cultural influence in their lands. Yes I know the vikings settled in parts of Canada and parts of the USA. And of course I know they originated from Scandinavia, thanks for reminding me. At the end, it is just my theory and I firmly believe that although the Sturgians have mostly early Vaegir(Which is Kievan Rus) culture, they also have some influence of Nordic culture which could have led towards the Nord Invasion 200 years later. Just think in reality, Norway and Denmark as well as Greenland, Iceland and Scandinavia are all to the north, Norway and Denmark are closest to Russia, maybe its similar in Calradia where there are nordic lands beyond where some of the settlers came from and then there are probably the natives of Sturgia. I hope this answers your question. Now I would like to ask, do you think this could have been one of the reasons why the Nords invaded? Because of how much influence they had within the Kingdom of Sturgia?And probably did not trust them, at the same time wanting more lands?Roccoflipside said:
Very nice looking banners.
The ones for my favorite factions, Vladia and the Empire, looks especially nice and as a Lannister fan I really look forward to fighting beneath the golden lion on red of the Vlandians. Its just a beautiful design, hence its use by the greatest factions.
The ones for my favorite factions, Vladia and the Empire, looks especially nice and as a Lannister fan I really look forward to fighting beneath the golden lion on red of the Vlandians. Its just a beautiful design, hence its use by the greatest factions.
