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Guaccmoleboy said:
There has been quite a few test sessions on different modules for years. V I P.
Competitive changes for future tourneys
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There has been quite a few test sessions on different modules for years. V I P.
Nord cav should only be able to take 1 pack of javs. Maybe also disable to ability to pickup thrown javs?
Swadia is useless without awlpike cavs, nords without javs won't be that good. Sarranids and veagirs will be superior after these changes. Nerfing one thing will make other one much better. Only needed change is buffing rhodoks a bit, cuz they are just weaker than other factions.
Primary suggestion is considering ways to implement Khergits effectively. Hard modifiers to stats and serious attention to the faction could balance them and finally bring something fresh to the next tournaments.
Azan's balance mod was very good as far as I remember and re-implementing it should be common sense for any serious tourney. Would suggest also buffing Rhodok inf ironflesh; seem to remember some debate around this and don't know if it was used but from the testing I did I remember it worked to match them with Nord inf.
The other 2 I am not so sure about; Swadia will be incredibly weak on closed maps without the awlpike cav as the infantry frequently need 3 or 4 hits to kill with their swords (perhaps a buff here would remedy - not familiar with their stats but no other faction has such bad standard weapons on offer for inf) and although the idea is to diversify tactics for the faction I fear it will ultimately just make them too weak on closed. Other ways to compensate if awlpikes are removed though.
Imo just reduce Nord throwing stats to balance them, perhaps also don't increase their shield skill as is currently in the mod so that nord inf remain vulnerable to archers (this stat could even be reduced); by removing the javs you standardise Nords and remove the uniqueness of the faction. Without the additional ranged power of the javs Nords would become substantially more vulnerable to crossfire on closed and have their mobility reduced on open due to an increased reliance on archer-support.
Balance is clearly needed but if it comes at the cost of standardising every faction and removing what makes each one unique then you should look at other solutions which don't force this.
Azan's balance mod was very good as far as I remember and re-implementing it should be common sense for any serious tourney. Would suggest also buffing Rhodok inf ironflesh; seem to remember some debate around this and don't know if it was used but from the testing I did I remember it worked to match them with Nord inf.
The other 2 I am not so sure about; Swadia will be incredibly weak on closed maps without the awlpike cav as the infantry frequently need 3 or 4 hits to kill with their swords (perhaps a buff here would remedy - not familiar with their stats but no other faction has such bad standard weapons on offer for inf) and although the idea is to diversify tactics for the faction I fear it will ultimately just make them too weak on closed. Other ways to compensate if awlpikes are removed though.
Imo just reduce Nord throwing stats to balance them, perhaps also don't increase their shield skill as is currently in the mod so that nord inf remain vulnerable to archers (this stat could even be reduced); by removing the javs you standardise Nords and remove the uniqueness of the faction. Without the additional ranged power of the javs Nords would become substantially more vulnerable to crossfire on closed and have their mobility reduced on open due to an increased reliance on archer-support.
Balance is clearly needed but if it comes at the cost of standardising every faction and removing what makes each one unique then you should look at other solutions which don't force this.
Make long awlpike not useable on cav but keep normal one?
It's easier to punish because of the shorter range but rewards people playing it with good damage?
Nerf nords throwing skill, especially for cavs. It's way too high, but without the javs they are by far the worst cavs because you die 1 hit every time.
It's easier to punish because of the shorter range but rewards people playing it with good damage?
Nerf nords throwing skill, especially for cavs. It's way too high, but without the javs they are by far the worst cavs because you die 1 hit every time.
Dont touch the nord cav throwing skill, it's the only compensation for them being worse than rhodoks
Just to respond to a few things:
Never said change Nord cav; specifically said don't in fact. Only change proposed was remove ability for Nord inf to pick up javs. This could be done server side.
Nobody said make all the factions the same, the point is to make their strengths have a purpose. Again, as specifically said in the OP Nords don't do that right now, they excel at everything except at very long range. Surkan go re-read you lil QTpi
I'm still up for a competitive module but the more changes we can make the more we argue about stuff. I mostly wanted to set out a few clear obvious improvements, and these can all be done server side.
Before long awlpikes on cav were meta Swadia were completely fine. They are a good all rounder faction with fast snowball without awlpikes on cav: with, they're death machines.
Well up for Khergits but that would need a module I think.
Agree with Warhammer that nerfs to one = buffs to other, that's why I'm proposing minor changes first.
Never said change Nord cav; specifically said don't in fact. Only change proposed was remove ability for Nord inf to pick up javs. This could be done server side.
Nobody said make all the factions the same, the point is to make their strengths have a purpose. Again, as specifically said in the OP Nords don't do that right now, they excel at everything except at very long range. Surkan go re-read you lil QTpi
I'm still up for a competitive module but the more changes we can make the more we argue about stuff. I mostly wanted to set out a few clear obvious improvements, and these can all be done server side.
Before long awlpikes on cav were meta Swadia were completely fine. They are a good all rounder faction with fast snowball without awlpikes on cav: with, they're death machines.
Well up for Khergits but that would need a module I think.
Agree with Warhammer that nerfs to one = buffs to other, that's why I'm proposing minor changes first.
Gibby Jr said:
I think that's mostly because you play inverse tbh
๖Kern said:
Nords are by far the strongest in fights. Why shouldn't they have a disadvantage elsewhere? Their cav would still have great throwing skill too.
You'd need a mod for that (to show on UI at least) and it basically becomes a lance anyway no?
I guess. Would nerf for inf too tho.
Gibby Jr said:
Well it's partly the way you play. Usually go for instant hits and not hold.
blivandefar said:
This right here.
If anything focus on making Khergits playable we play competitively and can't even use one of the factions in the entire game; it's actually absurd.
All the idea posted are not bad by any means but were invented by people to get an edge in that respectable faction, save the nords!
