Yeah this is it. Same deal with workshops. I don't care if i make major profits from it but i want it to be able to allow me to fund an army that can fight.
-
If you are reporting a bug, please head over to our Technical Support section for Bannerlord.
Caravans are too weak
- Thread starter moscaflaca
- Start date
Users who are viewing this thread
Yeah this is it. Same deal with workshops. I don't care if i make major profits from it but i want it to be able to allow me to fund an army that can fight.
This patch by no means fixes everything about the janky economy in this game. I can still make roughly 50-60k a day from smithing at skill level 90 so there are apparently a lot of balancing issues that need to take place. This is meant to hinder cash flow around the whole map so one side doesnt become super rich too quickly, from what I understand.
True enough...we shall endeavour to persevere..
Passive income needs a large buff. Passive income should be enough to cover passive costs, like the wages of soldiers and garrisons. Excess denars should go towards one-time costs, like upgrading equipment, upgrading troops, and upgrading castles. They should make the one-time cost of upgrading troops to the next tier cost more, as you're essentially buying their equipment. Troop wages should not be increased though, as that falls into the passive category.
I say give the player more control over what types of units your caravan focuses on recruiting? Or possibly give caravans a bit of a speed buff to counteract this nerf? I dont know how to move forward from here, but we definitely dont need to refer back to an even more broken system (no reason for my merc character that has never held a fief in 6 years to have over 1m gp)
That could be interesting. Stronger guard means safer caravan, but also more expensive to hire and maintain. Ideally the game would still be balanced to where running either a well guarded or poorly guarded caravan would be roughly equally rewarding over time.
That was the idea. More risk, more caravan upkeep, hopefully more reward.
cheers
Apparently they lowered the max party size of caravans to 30, so guards from old saves will desert until it reaches 30.
Wizefool
Recruit
I really don’t understand the nerf. Why not allow a slider for amount of guards and quality of guards? If you want to run a skeleton crew for 1000 profit a day - go for it. If you want passive income of 100 a day with no risk, fine.
It seems like they keep trying to optimize towards a certain play style when actually what we want is to have fully developed features that allow us to optimize the game to our play style.
It seems like they keep trying to optimize towards a certain play style when actually what we want is to have fully developed features that allow us to optimize the game to our play style.
I don't like how they managed the caravan...For me it was part of your évolution:
-First part of the game, you hunt robber
-Until you got enough money for workshop and you can upgrade your army for bigger fish
-After that, you can make caravan, a little more expensive at start but can make quite a lot of money. Adding risk, ok...but there is a limit
-Then you can aim high with castle and cities...and at that the point money should be flooding. You reach point where you got a different aspect of the game, the diplomacy and building of your empire. I don't mind having too much money at that point...I've enough work watching for my fief and going villages to villages to resplendish my army after battle.
I loved how it was for the economic point of view. Now, with the down of workshop and the remove of caravan, you just make the first grinding step of fighting looters longer...and you have to start all over if you lose a battle
-First part of the game, you hunt robber
-Until you got enough money for workshop and you can upgrade your army for bigger fish
-After that, you can make caravan, a little more expensive at start but can make quite a lot of money. Adding risk, ok...but there is a limit
-Then you can aim high with castle and cities...and at that the point money should be flooding. You reach point where you got a different aspect of the game, the diplomacy and building of your empire. I don't mind having too much money at that point...I've enough work watching for my fief and going villages to villages to resplendish my army after battle.
I loved how it was for the economic point of view. Now, with the down of workshop and the remove of caravan, you just make the first grinding step of fighting looters longer...and you have to start all over if you lose a battle
I really don't understand your point, how is making caravans less of a safe investment in any way forcing us into playing a certain playstyle? Yes, the update screwed with my current caravans, but once I regathered them and sent them off again with their initial intended party size of 30, nothing has been able to catch them aside from a mercenary who has since been dealt with. Hehehe.
But seriously, they didnt make owning caravans impossible or unworthwhile, they are just a little less lucrative than they were before. Still very useful for money.
Wizefool
Recruit
My point about the certain playstyle was just that they’re forcing us to operate caravans in one way; the way that they think they should operate. I’d like to have the option of setting how I guard my goods.
it seems some people like risk, some people like passive income. why not make both sets happy and also give people a sense of satisfaction when they find there sweet spot for guard number.
Thanks for clarifying, that makes more sense. I can understand where you are coming from. I would actually very much enjoy having that much control over my caravan, perhaps they may add something like that. If they dont, a modder will because that is actually a splendid idea. Cheers
I just posted a thread regarding this issue aswell, caravans make no sense at all now, paying 18,000 gold for each one, just for them to be destroyed before they can even make 1K. Is just plain stupid to consider using them.
At least we know this game is still EA so features ought to be broken and repaired.
At least we know this game is still EA so features ought to be broken and repaired.
Rapozk
Recruit
What I see, the issue is that you can no longer have enough guards for your caravans? Earlier your companions could have as many troops as they could if they were leading a party. Now it is capped to 30, regardless of the level of your clan or the level of the companion.
If we make it start at 30 max but actually levels up with the companions stewardship skill, leadership skill, and trading skill (oh and also make it possible for companions to gain leadership and trading skill because that is actually blocked now) it should be fine.
This would mean that its very hard in the beginning or if you have companions that are bad at leading caravans, you will need a companion that is actually good at it, you might have as easy time as before. Since your number of companions are capped and it may be hard to find good companions this is still a significance nerf, but it would actually be working if you set everything up properly.
If we make it start at 30 max but actually levels up with the companions stewardship skill, leadership skill, and trading skill (oh and also make it possible for companions to gain leadership and trading skill because that is actually blocked now) it should be fine.
This would mean that its very hard in the beginning or if you have companions that are bad at leading caravans, you will need a companion that is actually good at it, you might have as easy time as before. Since your number of companions are capped and it may be hard to find good companions this is still a significance nerf, but it would actually be working if you set everything up properly.
Rapozk
Recruit
FURTHERMORE: some orders for the caravans would be nice.
- If troops below X% of maximum, stay in town and recruit
- Stay away from, or search out areas affected by bandits.*
- Focus on quick and mobile units so you can run away or focus on stronger units to defend
- and more.
Of course, more orders should be needed to our companions parties too. Like defend a specific city, defend kingdom, raid enemy settlements etc.
*In warband, if you talked about guild masters you could see which areas were most affected by bandits. I'm guessing Bannerlord is keeping track if this information too. If your caravan avoids this area it stays safer, but it can also earn a lot of cash by going to those areas, there are pros and cons to it.
