2016 U.S. Presidential Elections: The Circus Is In Full Swing

Lord Brutus

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Cops of all colours are all but actively ordered to make racist assumptions every day. Something as seemingly innocuous as "we need to deal with the thugs in this town" is very implicitly racist, and the police deal with this kind of language all the time. It's practically impossible to avoid this as a police officer, even if you're the proud owner of one of these:

Jacob seems to believe that this statement closes the case. That people, including police officers, cannot act contrary to this statement. I believe they do not necessarily need to make racist assumptions based on what they read or hear. to make choices in their every day life.
 

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He's not entirely wrong though. Here is a good article on that particular subject. Jacob might be a bit hyperbolic but it's a real problem and it ties into what I'm saying too.

Race might not be the sole issue (one thing that media portrayals like to avoid) but it is at the very least the instigating issue in many cases, this one included. They might target him initially due to possible underlying racial prejudice, and as I recall the arrest was over a counterfeit bill which did not warrant the level of force they employed. That being said, once they initiate the arrest they get to justify their disproportionate use of force because he's "resisting", and this is where training and endemic department culture comes into play.
 

Lord Brutus

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My personal feeling is that articles are written to convince the reader that the article is 100% correct. I believe that men, including police officers may make choices which give the lie to his entire statement. I can't deny that certain police made large mistakes in Minneapolis. I don't believe it applies to police as a whole, particularly where I live where training and endemic culture are a way of life.
 

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I don't get that impression from the article - he's just relating his experiences in the police force. I used to generally support the police but there have been numerous minor incidents that I've personally witnessed in a few local police departments, as well as more newsworthy major incidents which have led me to believe that there are serious fundamental flaws in how policing is conducted in our society. Not the least of which is that it not only attracts but encourages a mentality which leads to situations like in Minneapolis.
 
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I feel like someone here doesn't want to stand in line with other villagers, passing the buckets of water, because their house isn't on fire right now.
 

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Yeah, NYPD contacted him within hours to provide more info, so they could investigate.

Instead of, like.... Didn't happen. Also shifting narrative. Also it was actually white Antifa. And agent provocateurs. And white supremacists.

I feel like someone here doesn't want to stand in line with other villagers, passing the buckets of water, because their house isn't on fire right now.
Amusing choice of metaphor.
 

Lord Brutus

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Amusing, indeed, and totally misinformed. First off, protesters. Protesting is not easy or convenient. You don't get to roll out of bed wherever you are and protest. The incident which caused all the ruckus occurred in Minneapolis. To protest, you go to Minneapolis and make your feelings known. Also, protesting does not involve breaking windows and stealing stuff.
 

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it's almost like the murder of george floyd is a symptom of larger systemic issues that are pervasive throughout the entire country and that protesting them in the entire country is justified as a result.
 

Lord Brutus

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it's almost like the murder of george floyd is a symptom of larger systemic issues that are pervasive throughout the entire country and that protesting them in the entire country is justified as a result.
Murder has not been established yet although it looks likely. Charlotte police were not involved in the original incident. Run by black people they are among the most benevolent anywhere. They will act to prevent looting and destruction of private property.
 

Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

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charlotte police literally yesterday teargassed and shot (less lethals) at an entirely peaceful protest.

if they're among the most benevolent cops you can come up with in the states i weep for your country.

and this does not support your statement that there is no reason to protest police brutality in charlotte. because, you know, they literally just did a police brutality.
the issue is not one of individual towns and their cops (though obviously some are better and some are worse). the issue is one of your country's police culture as a whole. it is beyond farcical.
 

Lord Brutus

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That "entirely peaceful protest" could not be heard over the sounds of explosives thrown by the protesters. Get your facts straight before you post.
 

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Dude, you aren't even having conversations with anyone. "My sheriff is black and my town doesn't have police brutality" isn't a relevant reply to someone stating there's a nationwide problem. Your posts in these last few pages are just baffling.

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