Taleworlds need to get their priorities straight...

[Scarsack V [Kov]]

Who wants it to be a esport?

I just want it to be an improved version of Warband Captain Mode. Which it was getting to until 1.5 dropped and nuked it.

I'm struggling to understand the 'Captain mode is a meme' meme. It seems a bit juvenile? The whole game is a meme at this point as far as I can tell.

Edit:

After a brief glance through Canton's recent posts, it seems you exclusively troll the forums. Weird.

 

[Domuka]

You have to be real good in combat in captain mode. It's not very rare that you're alone vs two players and 10 bots in the end (example) and I have won fights like that because I'm good at combat. I would even argue that you need to be even better in combat and also a good captain in captain mode compared to skirmish.

It's however alot more RNG in captain mode, a real good player can be destroyed because of factors he cant control.

I know its not that rare to get into those types of fights. Its due to dumb teammates who spam crossbows or just charge without the team helping. But you really dont need to be that good in combat to game the ai. You literally only need to do is run away while swinging left and the braindead ai will die easily. And since most players suck at combat, that is to say they never block or use swords on armored foes, they die almost as easily. Hell, if i can win against 2 players with some bots on their side, anyone can.

I kind of dropped off captain mode due to many reasons such as 1.5 archer kill (which made two handers have no counter), braindead teammates who do not work with the team, and tkers ruining the mode which i might add takes 30 plus minutes to find a game for (only to have 3 players in it...)

 

[Moton]

I know its not that rare to get into those types of fights. Its due to dumb teammates who spam crossbows or just charge without the team helping. But you really dont need to be that good in combat to game the ai. You literally only need to do is run away while swinging left and the braindead ai will die easily. And since most players suck at combat, that is to say they never block or use swords on armored foes, they die almost as easily. Hell, if i can win against 2 players with some bots on their side, anyone can.

I kind of dropped off captain mode due to many reasons such as 1.5 archer kill (which made two handers have no counter), braindead teammates who do not work with the team, and tkers ruining the mode which i might add takes 30 plus minutes to find a game for (only to have 3 players in it...)

I dont know what kind of matches you've been playing (at all, are you playing US servers?) but I can say after maybe 200 hours on both skirmish and captain that you need to be better in combat in Captain. Even tho the bots are not that difficult human players can shieldwall them and then start to run around you while you try to kill his bots and all of a sudden you have enemies on all sides and even the stupid bots attack you, do damage and cancel you attacks.

Ofcourse some games in captain is simply a ****fest where one team totally dominates but in the even matches you need alot more combat skill in captain. I mean you do go against an equal amount of human players anyway.

 

[Domuka]

I dont know what kind of matches you've been playing (at all, are you playing US servers?) but I can say after maybe 200 hours on both skirmish and captain that you need to be better in combat in Captain. Even tho the bots are not that difficult human players can shieldwall them and then start to run around you while you try to kill his bots and all of a sudden you have enemies on all sides and even the stupid bots attack you, do damage and cancel you attacks.

Ofcourse some games in captain is simply a ****fest where one team totally dominates but in the even matches you need alot more combat skill in captain. I mean you do go against an equal amount of human players anyway.

Yeah, us servers, which is pretty dead now and last time i played in the eu server it was lag central. Either way, braindead ai and braindead teammates for almost every game with a few well known exceptions.

Again, most players wont shield wall you, they just have their guys f1f3 you and do nothing else, which makes it easy to cheese. Then the players themselves are crap in melee since they usually either spam attacks or just use a shield to hold.

The only time when you need to be really good at combat is when someone wants a 1v1, in which case they could wipe out a team. Any other situation is just run and hit. Nothing much else.

Look i love captain mode, im just saying you dont need to be good at combat, just be good at holding the leash of the stupid ai and working with your team. Do that and you wont, for the most part, have situations in which its 1 vs 2 or 3 with bots (except for right now since there is no counter to two handers)

 

[vfkaseke]

Yeah, us servers, which is pretty dead now and last time i played in the eu server it was lag central. Either way, braindead ai and braindead teammates for almost every game with a few well known exceptions.

Again, most players wont shield wall you, they just have their guys f1f3 you and do nothing else, which makes it easy to cheese. Then the players themselves are crap in melee since they usually either spam attacks or just use a shield to hold.

The only time when you need to be really good at combat is when someone wants a 1v1, in which case they could wipe out a team. Any other situation is just run and hit. Nothing much else.

Look i love captain mode, im just saying you dont need to be good at combat, just be good at holding the leash of the stupid ai and working with your team. Do that and you wont, for the most part, have situations in which its 1 vs 2 or 3 with bots (except for right now since there is no counter to two handers)

These are all reasons there actually is a competitive scene in captain mode. It is ultimately a lot more about team play than skirm is, even if in competitive skirm relies heavily on tight teamplay. There is a deeper layer to captain that most people never get to experience, since they never even give it a chance. Sure, you might say "turning shields and archer positioning are the only tactical sides to captain" but that just goes to show your ignorance. Before 1.5 the meta wasn't just inf spam, and team comps as well as AI manipulation was a much bigger part of the game.

At the moment most of the captain community is basically just waiting for the big captain patch that brings life back to the mode, but skirmish players shutting down every thread and bullying us out of the forums is unacceptable.

 

[Younes]

Nice to know that you bring your captain bashing brigand in from your discord servers. No one said it's a mode of tactical genius. We would just kindly ask you to stop ****ting on it. We don't come to skirm discord servers or forum posts to tell you that skirm is a sweaty game for neck beards who live in their mothers basements either.

Skirmish is exactly that lmao

 

[Craven4]

Nice to know that you bring your captain bashing brigand in from your discord servers.

Me? I don't know Canton or actively use any discord he's part of. Everyone here is a sweaty neckbeard.

No ones trying to bash you for liking it as far as I can tell. It's also the more popular game mode so idk where you're going with this

There is a deeper layer to captain that most people never get to experience, since they never even give it a chance.

Not sure why you feel such a need to defend captain, assuming you're someone who plays it I thought you'd be criticizing it like us to try and get the devs to act. Captain (like skirmish) has spent over a year now as a bad game mode with no real improvement and I personally have little hope for a coming captain patch to do much good with the direction TW usually takes.

 

[vfkaseke]

@Craven4 That message was not directed at you. Also, I am not defending captain per se, but the players who play it. I'm every thread where someone talks about captain trolls like you've seen on this thread come to shut the conversation down. It drives the whole of captain population away from the forums, and I'm just getting tired of that.

 

[Younes]

@Craven4 That message was not directed at you. Also, I am not defending captain per se, but the players who play it. I'm every thread where someone talks about captain trolls like you've seen on this thread come to shut the conversation down. It drives the whole of captain population away from the forums, and I'm just getting tired of that.

Can you show me a thread of those? I don't recall people bashing captain for a report of someone trolling.

 

[Scarsack V [Kov]]

Can you show me a thread of those? I don't recall people bashing captain for a report of someone trolling.

This thread.
Cantons sole contribution is 'it's a meme'.

How is that contributing? He's just shutting down the conversation by saying 'it's a meme, it's a meme' repeatedly.

Edit: I note he is currently muted, so I guess he got noticed by the moderators.

 

[Younes]

This thread.
Cantons sole contribution is 'it's a meme'.

How is that contributing? He's just shutting down the conversation by saying 'it's a meme, it's a meme' repeatedly.

Have you read the OP? The post is doomed to be a fighting thread when you include things not backed by data like

"In the NA scene, the captain mode player base seems to be four times larger than the skirmish player base"

Or

"so why only fix skirmish problems?"

Despite this being completely false.

If you categorize combat changes to be skirmish changes then yes, captain is not addressed a lot. But combat changes are affected all across the board, this includes captain and skirmish

 

[Scarsack V [Kov]]

To be honest, I joined in to ask what 'it's a meme' was supposed to mean in the broader picture of the whole game being currently in a bad state.

I'd classify combat changes as very impactful on Captain. 1.5 changes killed the game mode. I agree with you there.

Maybe the devs will give us a sub forum for CM and we can go whine about it there