Space Marines v. Space Marines

[Raz]

Did they wear fully enclosed ceramite power armour? Hyperion was saying that the head might be a weak spot, while the 'fact' is that most Space Marines wear helmets that offer the same kind of protection as the rest of their power armour.

Still.
Battlecruisers.



And they're badass.

There are Battle Barges. This isn't about battleships though.

...which may penetrate two inches of steel plating.

Wouldn't be very effective.

 

[Cloud Breaker]

It's Space Marines Under 5 Tons of Ceramics and Concrete vs. Space Marines Who Shoot Down Battlecruisers In 30 Seconds

 

[G36E]

Did they wear fully enclosed ceramite power armour? Hyperion was saying that the head might be a weak spot, while the 'fact' is that most Space Marines wear helmets that offer the same kind of protection as the rest of their power armour.

Wait, what? Look at the PA (Power Armour) and compare the head size. Of course it's more vulnerablePlot armor aside, there's only so much weight your head can stand.

 

[Cloud Breaker]

what if the helmet's rigged onto the armor

 

[G36E]

Then you'll have to defy physics to fit it into the space between the pauldrons.

 

[Cloud Breaker]

I don't think most of real life physics apply to either Universes anymore. 

 

[Raz]

Unless the pauldrons are actually wider than your shoulders are. Which is the case here.

Also, what's this talk about shooting down a battlecruiser in 5 seconds?

 

[Cloud Breaker]

Just giving an example of a Terran Space Marine's destructive capability. By the way, 5 seconds is too fast... They might as well not even bother building a battlecruiser.

 

[G36E]

Unless the pauldrons are actually wider than your shoulders are. Which is the case here.

Not really, no.

 

[Raz]

Is it me or is that picture only reinforcing my point? A helmet would fit in between there very easily.

Just giving an example of a Terran Space Marine's destructive capability. By the way, 5 seconds is too fast... They might as well not even bother building a battlecruiser.

Link? A single infantryman shooting down a few hundred meter long battlecruiser..

 

[G36E]

Not when you're talking about helmets with plating as thick as that of the body armour.

 

[Cyborg Eastern European]

And given the fact that they still need a weak spot to see through and the fact that the C-14 has a fire rate of 30 rounds per second.
Something's bound to hit the eye.

 

[Night Ninja]

Spoiler

I hate WH40k Marines myself, but I cannot in good conscience let them be maligned by Starcraft fanboys.

a) Camo is also for people who would like to lower material losses, shoot first, go around without having people staring at the neon lights which happily announce your presence to the world.

WH40k Marines are intended to be shock troops, they aren't supposed to hang around. Their scouts have been known to use camouflage, but they have to lurk in bushes and trees for long periods, so it helps. In any case, sticking some grass on a 9 foot tall genetically enhanced human wearing powered armour and carrying the equivalent of a mini rocket launcher with a magazine is too little and too late.

b) This? Why yes, I have. Not quite close to "The power fists have fields which disrupt solid matter right? So why not stick the fields on power armour and render yourself impervious to all ballistic and melee attacks? "

Having your armour trying to beat itself up whenever your pauldrons came into contact with your hat would be damned awkward, wouldn't it?

c) They all have an off switch.

Let's see you reach it.

d) Grafitti is a lot less "bling" than gold. Compare Terran Space Marine and Grey Knight.

Maybe they like to stage drop pod assaults at dawn so that the bling will blind their enemies.

Grey Knights are like the anti-Daemon SWAT team for the Marines. They don't do this 'camouflage' thing because looking like a bulkhead while daemons slaughter your battle brothers isn't in their job scope. Comparing them to the Starcraft equivalent of the T-shirt and flashlight gang is daft.

I think Spartan II's vs. W40K Space Marines is more sporting...


Btw fyi marines are equipped with gauss guns that are capable of bringing down a freaking battlecruiser.... From the ground even.

Not when you're talking about helmets with plating as thick as that of the body armour.

Marneus Calgar? Hello? Marty Stu of Marty Stus? ****, they could fit a Retribution class battleship onto his helmet.

 

[Cloud Breaker]

Link? A single infantryman shooting down a few hundred meter long battlecruiser..

I played the game...




Don't you dare roll your eyes at me!

 

[Night Ninja]

Link? A single infantryman shooting down a few hundred meter long battlecruiser..

I played the game...




Don't you dare roll your eyes at me!

 

[Cloud Breaker]

 

[G36E]

Spoiler

I hate WH40k Marines myself, but I cannot in good conscience let them be maligned by Starcraft fanboys.

Spoiler

I never played either.

a) Camo is also for people who would like to lower material losses, shoot first, go around without having people staring at the neon lights which happily announce your presence to the world.

WH40k Marines are intended to be shock troops, they aren't supposed to hang around. Their scouts have been known to use camouflage, but they have to lurk in bushes and trees for long periods, so it helps. In any case, sticking some grass on a 9 foot tall genetically enhanced human wearing powered armour and carrying the equivalent of a mini rocket launcher with a magazine is too little and too late.

A wee bit more camo than blinding yellow (Imperial Fists), chrome (Space Wolves), ultramarine (Self-explanatory) would stop the OpFor dropping artillery on you before you see them.

b) This? Why yes, I have. Not quite close to "The power fists have fields which disrupt solid matter right? So why not stick the fields on power armour and render yourself impervious to all ballistic and melee attacks? "

Having your armour trying to beat itself up whenever your pauldrons came into contact with your hat would be damned awkward, wouldn't it?

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to give you an F. Here's why.

c) They all have an off switch.

Let's see you reach it.

Who needs to? Bomb the HD. Nuke the cooling. Destroy the processor.

d) Grafitti is a lot less "bling" than gold. Compare Terran Space Marine and Grey Knight.

Maybe they like to stage drop pod assaults at dawn so that the bling will blind their enemies.

Grey Knights are like the anti-Daemon SWAT team for the Marines. They don't do this 'camouflage' thing because looking like a bulkhead while daemons slaughter your battle brothers isn't in their job scope. Comparing them to the Starcraft equivalent of the T-shirt and flashlight gang is daft.

Drop pod assaults, something else that bugs me by the way, are all fine and dandy, but I doubt a Space Marine chapter can hit planet-wide targets without having to move about a bit, and when you do that, artillery will start falling.

Not when you're talking about helmets with plating as thick as that of the body armour.

Marneus Calgar? Hello? Marty Stu of Marty Stus? ****, they could fit a Retribution class battleship onto his helmet.

This dude? Mr. More machine than man with heaps of luck and skillz? Yeah. Now, how about Average Joe Marine?

 

[Cloud Breaker]

I don't get which sides you guys are on...

 

[AWdeV]

Me neither. AK, what the hell are you arguing for, concerning Marneus? :O

 

[G36E]

Me neither. AK, what the hell are you arguing for, concerning Marneus? :O

One doesn't compare the terminator with the average US Army grunt. Also, as promised AWDeV.