I fully agree with Namakan's and Lagstro's posts on this issue. I, mainly as a casual player and (unfortunately) a comp player in BL, I see this as a unnecessary gimmick, that will evolve as a necessity feature that will require to be used in inf fights. It's not a skill move, but just a gimmick. That's why I would rather see actual purpose for it in game, before making it universal feature.
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[Poll] Attack/Shooting while crouching available in Bannerlord
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Thank you for the explanation.
Maybe with more shield coverage on certain shields would be a good starting point. I honestly have always advocated for this kind of equity in shield maneuverability + range arc tweaks on horseback to be able to hit low enough which added to those "force field" tweaks buffs (I remember OGL between others advocating too) + removing any effects of stances leaving them purely aesthetic would be a point where I would start.
As for the shooting, maybe we can think about ok, the player has a lower stance so can take more cover... so let's apply a small penalty on the time of draw when crouching. The same thing with the weapon strikes while crouching; biomechanically you have less muscular power exerted by the legs in that position, so the same thing, so that the weapon strike produce less damage.
I see it as a question of balance, beyond black or white; there is a range of greys that would be interesting to explore.
Thanks for the comment though, much appreciated; also yours @Namakan & @Kripaz .
As the Sword & Musket project, we have needs in this regard! @Terco_Viejo @HyperCharge
We really want light infantry and rifle infantry units to lean and fire, and this is imperative. I even see it as a necessity in Bannerlord Vanilia because it is necessary, it can strategically make the player feel like a hunter in bowing and shooting other than walking while leaning.
Add us to this list, we need to announce this request as much as possible. I think Taleworlds will listen to us on this.
@Dejan @badbuckle Please take this matter seriously.
We really want light infantry and rifle infantry units to lean and fire, and this is imperative. I even see it as a necessity in Bannerlord Vanilia because it is necessary, it can strategically make the player feel like a hunter in bowing and shooting other than walking while leaning.
Add us to this list, we need to announce this request as much as possible. I think Taleworlds will listen to us on this.
@Dejan @badbuckle Please take this matter seriously.
The ability to pull attacks and shoot is important for both native and mod in my opinion. Actually the ability to crouch is pratically useless.
For S&M it would be a very important thing for skirmish fire, as it would also be useful for other mods in development. We can only hope that TW listens to our requests.
Being able to shoot while being crouched is such an important feature, both in Native and in a Napoleonic Wars successor. In a siege scenario or behind some cover, shooting with a crossbow/musket while crouched is most practical
For linebattles it would be essential for roleplaying line regiments to be able to fire two columns volleys, or even with light regiments for skirmishing
I hope for this feature to be implemented into the final game !
Agreed. This is without a doubt something that is needed. Not sure why it isn't already. Please make this happen TaleWorlds.
I'm surprised there are this many people who are against it. It was an important feature in NW.
I suppose they should make it a weapon trait. Some crossbows are heavy enough to require standing to reload, and you obviously can't shoot a longbow while crouching, while it is possible to do so with lighter weight bows.
I suppose they should make it a weapon trait. Some crossbows are heavy enough to require standing to reload, and you obviously can't shoot a longbow while crouching, while it is possible to do so with lighter weight bows.
Could be a perk to set light archers apart. Definitely shouldn't be a feature on longbows.
Not yet.
Mostly because there are very few weapons this would make sense with. You are right you can fire a crossbow crouched but the majority require a standing position to reload. Very few bows can be fired from a crouching position properly.
Also anyone who has played mordhau will be familiar with the absolute trainwreck highlevel combat looks like in that - part of that is due to the crouching mechanics. Any melee crouching in M&B is doubtless to generate some weird combat-tech.
I certainly wouldn't hate it being added - and it's relevant for NW; but overall there is probably more important mechanics.
I partly agree with what you said, this was for those who would generally do a complete total overhaul modding anyway.
Having reduced damage while being able to attack when crouched would give a lot of flexibility on group formations during battle events (front line crouched and stabbing with shield while line behind is spearing over their head). “Gimmicks” like this make the game have more depth in my opinion and should def be added. Though it would def buff archery
Having it as an option for modders should be a primary concern (taleworlds-wise) for having greater flexibility when modding. Having it in native or having it in banner lord are two different polls in my opinion. Obviously my vote is towards it being available as an option. Each module will make good use of this option as needed.
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It's not going to happen. Nothing is going to ever happen.
If they don't do this, the Sword & Musket community of thousands and the another Mod Projects and Bannerlord Community who follow this issue closely will be very disappointed.
