Parity ?

[Mioche_sauvage]

There are not enough women in our army, it takes half for parity.

There are only men in our troops now.

I hope taleworlds will change that

What do you think ?
Even if I know that some will not agree, let us debate calmly.

 

[e222143]

lack of woman in army is understandable in term s of the referenced age when the game is built. However, it can be interesting to have some special woman troop. Like special force or bandit.

 

[Mioche_sauvage]

lack of woman in army is understandable in term s of the referenced age when the game is built. However, it can be interesting to have some special woman troop. Like special force or bandit.

Batania clearly has Celtic inspirations.
There were women warriors among the Celts.
Same thing for Sturgia with the Nordics

 

[vonbalt]

Nope, a few women soldiers and lords is ok for the time-period, during the middle ages women did take part in warfare both fighting and commanding but at a much much lesser scale than males did and just a few women troop types and commanders would reflect that perfectly without going anachronistic.

 

[Ketran]

Batania clearly has Celtic inspirations.
There were women warriors among the Celts.
Same thing for Sturgia with the Nordics

This is a modern myth. The idea of shield maidens came from Norse mythology not history. The only archaeological evidence we have to even suggest women were participants in combat is one unearthed warriors grave with a female skeleton. It's likely that in rare instances some women took to battle, either secretly much like Eowyn from Lord of the Rings, or in desperate times, but everything we know from contemporary sources tells us that women never composed the rank and file of medieval military's. Figures like Boudica are outliers, and shouldn't have their legend diminished by woke revisionism.

But this game is fiction, and there can be as many female warriors as Taleworlds wants there to be.

 

[Kayhan]

We need more men.

 

[vonbalt]

This is a modern myth. The idea of shield maidens came from Norse mythology not history. The only archaeological evidence we have to even suggest women were participants in combat is one unearthed warriors grave with a female skeleton. It's likely that in rare instances some women took to battle, either secretly much like Eowyn from Lord of the Rings, or in desperate times, but everything we know from contemporary sources tells us that women never composed the rank and file of medieval military's. Figures like Boudica are outliers, and shouldn't have their legend diminished by woke revisionism.

But this game is fiction, and there can be as many female warriors as Taleworlds wants there to be.

Warband did it right, there were female peasant troops (untrained and desperate forced into battle by their circumstances) and the veteran sword-sisters who where those exceptional woman that did well and prospered in the military life, a few women lords in Bannerlord taking inspiration from figures like Boudica, Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Lioness of Brittany and we are set as far as the game can go without going revisionist.

 

[Younes]

Just make new sword sister units, they felt unique

 

[HUMMAN]

i would like to see para-military women troops in some khuzait clans.

 

[Tukata]

Just so you know, this guy (author of this thread) is a troll from another forum.

 

[vonbalt]

Just so you know, this guy (author of this thread) is a troll from another forum.

Well, he asked for a civil discussion on the matter and we are doing that, if he starts to troll then it's another story

 

[hruza]

There are not enough women in our army, it takes half for parity.

There's also not enough children, horses, dogs, dolphins and transgender people in our army. Think about that.

The only archaeological evidence we have to even suggest women were participants in combat is one unearthed warriors grave with a female skeleton. It's likely that in rare instances some women took to battle, either secretly much like Eowyn from Lord of the Rings, or in desperate times, but everything we know from contemporary sources tells us that women never composed the rank and file of medieval military's.

There is actually no evidence in that grave about it been female warrior. It's pure interpretation. First of all, there are some doubts that skeleton belongs to the grave. Second, presence of weapons in the grave is not an evidence that grave belonged to a warrior. Weapons could have been given to the grave for number of reasons starting from religious, symbolical to social.

More info about the grave here: New evidence of Viking warrior women might not be what it seems

What we want to see vs. what’s actually there
It was an exciting story, and headlines about Viking warrior women have been everywhere in the media. But the reality is more complex and probably says more about us than it does about Vikings. Several experts have come forward to question the evidence. Writing on her blog, University of Nottingham professor of Viking studies Judith Jesch says, "I have always thought (and to some extent still do) that the fascination with women warriors, both in popular culture and in academic discourse, is heavily, probably too heavily, influenced by 20th- and 21st-century desires." Today, many of us are eager to find examples of woman leaders in the past who are just as badass as our woman leaders today. And that might lead to misunderstanding history.

Jesch has written extensively about gender roles in Viking society in her fascinating book The Viking Diaspora, and she finds a lot of problems in the researchers' analysis. For one thing, even when men were buried with swords, that didn't mean they were necessarily warriors. Swords were often decorative or symbolic. She also rejects the idea that burial with horses and game pieces suggests "an individual with responsibilities concerning strategy and battle tactics," as Hedenstierna-Jonson and her colleagues claim. "All this seems to me to move rather quickly from evidence to speculation which is presented as fact," Jesch writes.

But Jesch's most damning criticism is that the researchers don't acknowledge a key point: the bones they analyzed might not actually have been from the grave in question. The Swedish archaeological site where the remains came from was originally excavated in the 19th century, and the bygone scientist who led the dig took out all the bones and put them into bags. Some of the bags are poorly labeled and don't seem to correspond to the gravesite in any meaningful way.

 

[Kipsta]

No parity. No problem with rare units or some lords being female.

 

[elcapo29]

Lets be logical. There will be farmer groups, there will be peasant women, therefore there will be some kind of peasant woman troop tree, there are female lords and female companions. Lords will have companions, some of them female, this I feel will be a proper ratio.

 

[Timmortal]

Just so you know, this guy (author of this thread) is a troll from another forum.

+1

Well, he asked for a civil discussion on the matter and we are doing that, if he starts to troll then it's another story

He has already had a similar type post removed, its clear from his phrasing that he is not making this argument in good faith, but to draw out angered responses and the like. Thread should just be removed like his other one was.

 

[Tukata]

Well, he asked for a civil discussion on the matter and we are doing that, if he starts to troll then it's another story

Of course, I just wanted to warn you.

 

[Barcotics]

He has already had a similar type post removed, its clear from his phrasing that he is not making this argument in good faith, but to draw out angered responses and the like. Thread should just be removed like his other one was.

they could tag it as flame bait, other than that probably delete it

 

[vota dc]

Lets be logical. There will be farmer groups, there will be peasant women, therefore there will be some kind of peasant woman troop tree, there are female lords and female companions. Lords will have companions, some of them female, this I feel will be a proper ratio.

Sword sisters were awesome, but why every female Khuzait farmer recruited should suddendly use a crossbow while every male recruited specialize in bow?

 

[Revverie]

he tried to troll but this became a good and civil discussion lmao.
Even if history says this or that I would like to see woman troop type too, beyond sword sisters which are hard to get.

 

[Timmortal]

he tried to troll but this became a good and civil discussion lmao.
Even if history says this or that I would like to see woman troop type too, beyond sword sisters which are hard to get.

I once had an army of a 160 sword sisters, it was a pretty good army, they were very well balanced.