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5arge said:No... England.kpetschulat said:'MURICA
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I created a team for Iron Europe and everyday everyone ask me when the game released, nobody understand I can't answer them. It's boring
Spas13 said:I created a team for Iron Europe and everyday everyone ask me when the game released, nobody understand I can't answer them. It's boring
Sorry for that guys
Derpingtonpryce said:One thing i'd like to know is whether or not the French army had changed their uniforms in any way since the Franco-Prussian war (I mean until they changed to the helmets and horizon blue uniforms.)
Rokker said:Lets just all hope the French are not stuck with Chauchat model 1915s. They would have a hard time equipped with "the worlds worst gun"
Rokker said:Lets just all hope the French are not stuck with Chauchat model 1915s. They would have a hard time equipped with "the worlds worst gun"
Rigadoon said:Rokker said:Lets just all hope the French are not stuck with Chauchat model 1915s. They would have a hard time equipped with "the worlds worst gun"
Actually, it's not a terrible gun at all.The Germans spent the entire war developing the MP 18 and even when it was done, it came out few in number. The French grabbed a pre-war design that could be made out of scraps and were immediately able to manufacture thousands and provide them to troops all over Europe. There's a book called Honour Bound: Chauchat Machine Rifle where you can read more about this.
Rigadoon said:Rokker said:Lets just all hope the French are not stuck with Chauchat model 1915s. They would have a hard time equipped with "the worlds worst gun"
Actually, it's not a terrible gun at all. If you read Pétain's 1917 survey of French weapons, many regiments called it a very effective offensive and defensive weapon. It was noted as being useful providing flanking fire, defending conquered trenches, and during offensives, using walking fire. Many Chauchats were noted to have fired thousands of rounds perfectly during combat. They did note some stoppages due to lip deformation and dirt, but it's not as common as people nowadays think it was.
I believe that the bad reputation of the gun stems from the American model, Mle 18, which converted the Chauchat to using the US .30-06. It didn't work out and had tons of issues due to the .30-06 being more powerful 8mm Lebel and just poor manufacturing. Pretty much it was useless and really did jam after a couple rounds like the myths say. Even though American troops were primarily armed with the original French Mle 15 with Lebel rounds, a few Mle 18s were sent to the front lines. Most likely they never saw combat but you can imagine how reporters would swarm over the guys unlucky enough to be assigned with a gun that won't even fire properly. Mle 18s were always thrown away and it is my guess that the reports of Mle18 were more widely published so the reputation of a gun that jams every few seconds spread to the name of the Chauchat, both Mle 15 and 18. It's either that or American Chauchat gunners were just **** at cleaning their Chauchats and weren't given the training to use them as effectively as their French counterparts did.
So no, it isn't a great gun. But it's far from a bad weapon. It's jamming issues were over exaggerated. Also, think about it this way. Both the French and German armies realized the need for a light automatic weapon. The Germans spent the entire war developing the MP 18 and even when it was done, it came out few in number. The French grabbed a pre-war design that could be made out of scraps and were immediately able to manufacture thousands and provide them to troops all over Europe. There's a book called Honour Bound: Chauchat Machine Rifle where you can read more about this.
Rigadoon said:Rokker said:Lets just all hope the French are not stuck with Chauchat model 1915s. They would have a hard time equipped with "the worlds worst gun"
Actually, it's not a terrible gun at all. If you read Pétain's 1917 survey of French weapons, many regiments called it a very effective offensive and defensive weapon. It was noted as being useful providing flanking fire, defending conquered trenches, and during offensives, using walking fire. Many Chauchats were noted to have fired thousands of rounds perfectly during combat. They did note some stoppages due to lip deformation and dirt, but it's not as common as people nowadays think it was.
I believe that the bad reputation of the gun stems from the American model, Mle 18, which converted the Chauchat to using the US .30-06. It didn't work out and had tons of issues due to the .30-06 being more powerful 8mm Lebel and just poor manufacturing. Pretty much it was useless and really did jam after a couple rounds like the myths say. Even though American troops were primarily armed with the original French Mle 15 with Lebel rounds, a few Mle 18s were sent to the front lines. Most likely they never saw combat but you can imagine how reporters would swarm over the guys unlucky enough to be assigned with a gun that won't even fire properly. Mle 18s were always thrown away and it is my guess that the reports of Mle18 were more widely published so the reputation of a gun that jams every few seconds spread to the name of the Chauchat, both Mle 15 and 18. It's either that or American Chauchat gunners were just **** at cleaning their Chauchats and weren't given the training to use them as effectively as their French counterparts did.
So no, it isn't a great gun. But it's far from a bad weapon. It's jamming issues were over exaggerated. Also, think about it this way. Both the French and German armies realized the need for a light automatic weapon. The Germans spent the entire war developing the MP 18 and even when it was done, it came out few in number. The French grabbed a pre-war design that could be made out of scraps and were immediately able to manufacture thousands and provide them to troops all over Europe. There's a book called Honour Bound: Chauchat Machine Rifle where you can read more about this.
Rokker said:Rigadoon said:Rokker said:Lets just all hope the French are not stuck with Chauchat model 1915s. They would have a hard time equipped with "the worlds worst gun"
Actually, it's not a terrible gun at all. If you read Pétain's 1917 survey of French weapons, many regiments called it a very effective offensive and defensive weapon. It was noted as being useful providing flanking fire, defending conquered trenches, and during offensives, using walking fire. Many Chauchats were noted to have fired thousands of rounds perfectly during combat. They did note some stoppages due to lip deformation and dirt, but it's not as common as people nowadays think it was.
I believe that the bad reputation of the gun stems from the American model, Mle 18, which converted the Chauchat to using the US .30-06. It didn't work out and had tons of issues due to the .30-06 being more powerful 8mm Lebel and just poor manufacturing. Pretty much it was useless and really did jam after a couple rounds like the myths say. Even though American troops were primarily armed with the original French Mle 15 with Lebel rounds, a few Mle 18s were sent to the front lines. Most likely they never saw combat but you can imagine how reporters would swarm over the guys unlucky enough to be assigned with a gun that won't even fire properly. Mle 18s were always thrown away and it is my guess that the reports of Mle18 were more widely published so the reputation of a gun that jams every few seconds spread to the name of the Chauchat, both Mle 15 and 18. It's either that or American Chauchat gunners were just **** at cleaning their Chauchats and weren't given the training to use them as effectively as their French counterparts did.
So no, it isn't a great gun. But it's far from a bad weapon. It's jamming issues were over exaggerated. Also, think about it this way. Both the French and German armies realized the need for a light automatic weapon. The Germans spent the entire war developing the MP 18 and even when it was done, it came out few in number. The French grabbed a pre-war design that could be made out of scraps and were immediately able to manufacture thousands and provide them to troops all over Europe. There's a book called Honour Bound: Chauchat Machine Rifle where you can read more about this.
Darn it Rigadoon, you well informed bastard! anyways your probably right seeing how all bad reviews of this gun are American. BTW is there a chance we might see a Hotchkiss? Now there's a nice machine gun.
ps just noticed that the Chauchat, wile perhaps not moddled is already in-game. sneaky devil.
I forget, who are you?Spas13 said:I created a team for Iron Europe and everyday everyone ask me when the game released, nobody understand I can't answer them. It's boring
Spas13 said:I created a team for Iron Europe and everyday everyone ask me when the game released, nobody understand I can't answer them. It's boring
Sorry for that guys
It'll be similar to NW. Most hits will be one shot kill but there will be instances where you can survive a hit, with chances of that happening increasing with distance from the shooter.Flame2574 said:That looks great. . .
Rigadoon? can i ask how the damage is going to work. is it going to be multiple bullet kills, or pretty much one hit kills from the torso up?
I'd choose the revolver just because they're sexier.Rokker said:I have to choose between a revolver and a semi? Oh why does life have to de so difficult! Anyway will take revolver because I bet those brownings or whatever semis are going to have **** power and accuracy.