Trebron said:
Sir Marek said:
In my opinion this system brings more entertaining matches, encourages more teams to sign up and more players might get involded into the competitive scene.
The only thing your system does well is pushing 2 teams that not really deserve it into quarter-finals. Then we get two extra hyped "amazing", "exciting" 12:0 matches after the group stage. Prize for winning group B is most likely getting rekt by group A team.
If there's some underrated team that wants to prove something they can still do it in the old system, ofc they'll need to play well against proper opponents.
Let's be honest - with PW mod and NW players you're not getting far no matter the system. Your idea penalizes two good teams from div A and probably even more Div B teams - from your example of group B - Finland, Sweden, The Netherlands, Italy and Belgium which would have a chance of qualifying in current system
if they play good. Now only 2 of them can go to quarters.
Lack of will to play and players is not a thing you can solve with handicap.
Killfacer said:
Your not thinking outside the box. You are saying sub-optimal ways of running tournaments. You don't base tournament format around the weakest teams getting play time. Make concessions to it if you can sure, but making drastic changes and damaging the chances of the worst of the best teams is totally anti-competitive and unfair.
Sorry if I'm part of those breaking a bit of this enthousiastic circle brang in by Marek's idea but I've to agree a bit with Trebron and Deacon here.
Despite the idea having many good points that I don't intend to deny for what they're, I would do the same as Deacon did, means encouraging everyone to think the Nation Cup as a whole and not only as a tournament with two differents groups (The big Warband Nations, and the others).
The NationsCup in its competitive aspect intends to determine which is the best warband Nation. No matter how much fun, respect and all other values you can bring have to be taken into account when making this tournament, the main idea remains to show who is the best, as every tournaments. Atleast that is how I see it.
By this statement, any idea which intends to re-balance the group, in order to give more chances to the minors nations advanding further into the knockout stage is wrong by nature. I'm all but not a capatilist person, but If those nations want to go far, they have to fight for it, and if they' cannot, no matter the reasons, then they don't deserve to be that far. It goes for teams (During WNL/ECS for exemple) all the same way because it's what a competitive game is about.
I do understand why people are encouraging such a system. (And if you looks closer at it, those people are often part of the minor Nations) And to be fair, I'm not
against it for the pure sake of it. But If you want to do so, that makes you re-thinking the Nation Cup as a whole, in order to re-built it. And looking how much the tournament has delayed, I'm not sure it's a good idea. Neither it is a good thing for the competitive aspect of the game. If you guys are placing fun and enjoyement above everything else, then go for it. But don't tell me your system is more competitive than the old one cause it's simply false.
If I can only bring my experience here, and despite the two community being drastically different, on NW, the 2nd Edition of the Cavalary Nation Cup brang the same idea that Marek did, because during the first edition, Poland proved themselves to be above everyone else and France looked extremly weak in the final against them. So the tournament was built in this idea, with two Division, A and B, with 4 Big Nations in A, and 6 weakers Nations in B. The conclusion of the tournament was that it was way less competitive this way than the old one. Still, it was a good tournament.
So I don't want to show you that your idea is "bad", or "illogical". Not at all. I just want you to see further than your own revendications which are to be given the chance for your Nation to go further in this competition, and look at how you want this Nation Cup to be.
All in all, I'm sure it will be a good tournament. But according to what you choose, it surely won't look the same.