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Information about developments at snowballing problem
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Boss man doesn’t think so, I don’t either. I think it’s the combination of fixes mex mentioned earlier
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Marbles20
Regular
| Kingdom | Year 10 settlements | Year 10 clans | Year 19 settlements | Year 19 clans |
| Vlandia | 23 | 11 | 16 | 11 |
| Sturgia | 20 | 9 | 22 | 9 |
| Khuzait | 29 | 9 | 28 | 9 |
| Battania | 18 | 8 | 28 | 8 |
| Aserai | 38 | 9 | 31 | 9 |
| Western Empire | 21 | 9 | 19 | 9 |
| Northern Empire | 15 | 9 | 13 | 9 |
| Southern Empire | 9 | 9 | 16 | 9 |
| Snowball Scores: | 21 | 16 |
So I have to disagree to some extent and say that the bandit bug is having some effect on the data. I would periodically watch the news feed and noticed from year 10+ (especially year 15+) that lords from vlandia (and whole armies of them at that) and a small extent of battania were getting captured by sea raiders. When I stopped the game in the 19th year (it was getting really bogged down, the first 10 years took maybe 3 hours, then the next 9 years took almost 8 hours) I decided to investigate and found that the bandits were effectively spawn camping the Vlandian lords in the north.
And thats a mild picture, moving further north is a massive blob of them. This kind of showed me that Vlandia was bound to lose the territory they had to battania because they couldn't muster their forces. Vlandia before this was in a solid or better place. Not dominate, but easily could have broken out. So though I do feel the steps taken to address the snowballing are effective (much of the map seemed to play out well) the data is too tainted by the bandit bug to give a conclusive 'yes snowballing is fixed or stabilized'.
Interesting, after teleporting around the map to check my tests I found no sign of the bandit bug. Even in my 5th test, which was the most volatile, there's nothing. I'm still curious what triggers that bug as I haven't experienced it yet.So I have to disagree to some extent and say that the bandit bug is having some effect on the data. I would periodically watch the news feed and noticed from year 10+ (especially year 15+) that lords from vlandia (and whole armies of them at that) and a small extent of battania were getting captured by sea raiders. When I stopped the game in the 19th year (it was getting really bogged down, the first 10 years took maybe 3 hours, then the next 9 years took almost 8 hours) I decided to investigate and found that the bandits were effectively spawn camping the Vlandian lords in the north.
And thats a mild picture, moving further north is a massive blob of them. This kind of showed me that Vlandia was bound to lose the territory they had to battania because they couldn't muster their forces. Vlandia before this was in a solid or better place. Not dominate, but easily could have broken out. So though I do feel the steps taken to address the snowballing are effective (much of the map seemed to play out well) the data is too tainted by the bandit bug to give a conclusive 'yes snowballing is fixed or stabilized'.
Marbles20
Regular
Yeah I'm not sure what is triggering the bug and in some cases I'm sure it just creates more of a nuisance than anything. The issue with that test of mine was that they camped in a perfect choke-point so any lords that spawn by those 2 cities would eventually get jumped if they tried to move about. I didn't notice any other large instances of bandits harassing other kingdoms so I don't think it affects every bandit camp. Unless all bandits in world are basically spawning in the same place, which makes sense as when I rode toward that area I didn't notice any bandits until I got there.
Did you see any bandits at all when teleporting about the maps? They may have gathered/spawned in more remote parts of the map. In those cases I'd consider the data valid/clean.
Did you see any bandits at all when teleporting about the maps? They may have gathered/spawned in more remote parts of the map. In those cases I'd consider the data valid/clean.
Yep checked everywhere, double checked the spots people have posted. I do not have the mass bandit bug, but I did notice the no hideouts or special type of bandits bug (only looters).
Do you feel you have extra looters? I can't find bandits in the game I started, but I have tunz of looters. I think it can be possible that the bugged hideout is making looters instead of bandits and that they roam forever instead of patrol. I feel like my game had a unlikely occurrence of batania taking several towns from vlandia in by 150 days. I don't know if it's looter related though.
There honestly didnt seem to be very many parties, they were typically around 20-50 looters in a party tho. At most there would be 3 looters near each other. Seemed to be less than typical but I was just teleporting around my 20 year tests so it isn't representative of early game.
Sixth test (first on the hotfix) is running and after the first 10 years its looking really good. Well 20 years turned out very well.
So something I noticed was the lack of rebels, only 2 happened at Myzea. Not sure if something is now up with rebellions, I'll keep looking at this as I run more tests. Also there are 0 successful rebel clans.
| Test 6 1.5.8.hot | Test 6 10 yrs | Test 6 20 yrs | 20 yr Strength | Original Clans | Recruited Clans | Rebel Clans | Mercenaries | Total Noble Clans | Total Clans w/ MERCs |
| Aserai | 27 | 23 | 5562 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 9 |
| Battania | 16 | 18 | 4795 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 9 |
| Khuzait | 24 | 30 | 5184 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 9 |
| Northern | 14 | 14 | 4763 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 9 | 11 |
| Southern | 20 | 22 | 4206 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 9 | 11 |
| Western | 27 | 29 | 4881 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 9 | 9 |
| Sturgia | 24 | 14 | 5310 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 9 | 10 |
| Vlandia | 21 | 23 | 4568 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 11 | 12 |
| Snowball score | 10 | 14 |
So something I noticed was the lack of rebels, only 2 happened at Myzea. Not sure if something is now up with rebellions, I'll keep looking at this as I run more tests. Also there are 0 successful rebel clans.
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Marbles20
Regular
Yeah I've only rarely seen successful rebels and it was usually in a far off town while the kingdom was busy with numerous wars pre-1.58. I'd imagine the decrease in concurrent wars a kingdom faces now allows kingdoms to easily deal with rebellions.So something I noticed was the lack of rebels, only 2 happened at Myzea. Not sure if something is now up with rebellions, I'll keep looking at this as I run more tests. Also there are 0 successful rebel clans.
Dabos37
Sergeant Knight at Arms
Sixth test (first on the hotfix) is running and after the first 10 years its looking really good. Well 20 years turned out very well.
Test 6 1.5.8.hot Test 6 10 yrs Test 6 20 yrs 20 yr Strength Original Clans Recruited Clans Rebel Clans Mercenaries Total Noble Clans Total Clans w/ MERCs Aserai Battania Khuzait Northern Southern Western Sturgia Vlandia Snowball score
So something I noticed was the lack of rebels, only 2 happened at Myzea. Not sure if something is now up with rebellions, I'll keep looking at this as I run more tests. Also there are 0 successful rebel clans.
Great news, thanks for testing this so fast
By the way because we solved snowballing problem we can now make imprisonment times longer. With 1.5.9 imprisonment times will be about 1.5-2x. Daily running away chances of hero prisoners will reduce to 5% from 7.5%. This will make gameplay better even its just 2 number change.
Also currently kingdom economies are good compared to previous versions so kingdoms usually do not go bankrupt (not because of any new cheat just they are managing economy better). In future we can easily remove AI cheat of not needing horses to upgrade cavalry troops to make things harder for kingdoms. Recent tests shows 1.5.8 snowballing score average is about 20-30. We can remove some AI cheats so snowballing score can rise to 30-45 in future versions. All snowballing scores < 45 is good. No need to make perfectly balanced.
Also currently kingdom economies are good compared to previous versions so kingdoms usually do not go bankrupt (not because of any new cheat just they are managing economy better). In future we can easily remove AI cheat of not needing horses to upgrade cavalry troops to make things harder for kingdoms. Recent tests shows 1.5.8 snowballing score average is about 20-30. We can remove some AI cheats so snowballing score can rise to 30-45 in future versions. All snowballing scores < 45 is good. No need to make perfectly balanced.
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Actually in my first 1.5.8 test there were 3 successful clans (2 of which were recruited, while the 3rd was at war with everyone) and that page looked like this
So after looking at my 5 prehotfix tests, it does seem like either there are very few rebellions (Test 3 & 5, had the worst snowball scores) or a bunch (Test 1, 2, 4, had very good snowball scores). So it seems when snowballing is bad (relative to 1.5.8 snowball scores, not actually bad) there are few rebellions and when snowballing is good there are a bunch of rebellions, very interesting. Although my Test 6 contradicts this (snowballing is good and few rebellions). Likely not an issue due to the hotfix.
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Marbles20
Regular
| Test #2 | ||
| Kingdoms | Settlements 10 years | Settlements 20 years |
| Aserai | 29 | 32 |
| Battania | 13 | 21 |
| Khuzait | 22 | 23 |
| Northern Empire | 17 | 20 |
| Southern Empire | 15 | 9 |
| Sturgia | 25 | 28 |
| Vlandia | 30 | 24 |
| Western Empire | 22 | 16 |
| Snowball Score | 15 | 15 |
| Rebel Clans | 0 | 7(1 active, 6 eliminated)* |
*Rhotae had rebels on 4 different occasions between years 10-20 all eliminated.
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Marbles20
Regular
Will the goal for prisoner escape eventually be a lot lower? (example: 1-2%)By the way because we solved snowballing problem we can now make imprisonment times longer. With 1.5.9 imprisonment times will be about 1.5-2x. Daily running away chances of hero prisoners will reduce to 5% from 7.5%. This will make gameplay better even its just 2 number change.
Also currently kingdom economies are good compared to previous versions so kingdoms usually do not go bankrupt (not because of any new cheat just they are managing economy better). In future we can easily remove AI cheat of not needing horses to upgrade cavalry troops to make things harder for kingdoms. Recent tests shows 1.5.8 snowballing score average is about 20-30. We can remove some AI cheats so snowballing score can rise to 30-45 in future versions. All snowballing scores < 45 is good. No need to make perfectly balanced.
Nalgasucia507
Squire
Through skills it should be lower. I think a 5% daily default rate is good.
please also set them 4x rest time after escape. You know, to get some relax, gather new band...
