Information about developments at snowballing problem

[mexxico]

start, w, asxse
start, w, khxne
start, w, btxwe
start, w, vlxst

1084 (7 declerations)
aut11, w, nexse
aut13, p, asxse, -5880
win01, p, btxwe, -430
win02, p, stxvl, -430
win09, w, wexse
win14, p, nexse, -340
win21, w, stxkh

1085 (18 declerations)
win01, p, khxne, 1740
spr08, w, nexst
spr08, p, stxkh, 700
sum03, w, btxwe
sum03, p, wexse, 2410
sum05, w, vlxwe
sum08, p, btxwe, -860
sum10, p, stxne, -400
sum17, w, sexas
sum19, w, khxne
aut08, w, stxkh
aut11, p, vlxwe, 1080
aut17, w, wexse
aut17, p, sexas, 390
aut19, w, btxst
aut20, p, stxkh, -150
win16, w, vlxwe
win17, p, wexse, 310

1086 (10 declerations)
spr13, w, sexne
spr14, p, btxst, 390
spr14, p, khxne, -2690
sum01, p, vlxwe, 250
sum03, w, asxse
sum13, p, asxse, 640
aut04, w, wexne
aut04, p, sexne, -1040
aut19, w, sexwe
win16, p, wexse, 680

1087 (13 declerations)
spr01, w, asxse
spr13, w, stxkh
spr20, w, btxst
sum13, p, stxkh, 2170
sum17, w, khxse
sum19, p, sexas, 1590
aut03, w, vlxst
aut04, p, btxst, -1490
win07, p, vlxst, -190
win17, p, nexwe, 510
win18, w, nexkh
win18, p, sexkh, -3210
win21, w, wexse

1088 (11 declerations)
spr05, w, stxkh
spr12, p, stxkh, -740
sum10, w, asxse
sum10, p, wexse, -5540
sum20, w, stxbt
aut14, w, wexbt
aut20, w, sexwe
aut21, p, wexbt, -1100
win02, p, sexas, -3640
win11, w, vlxst
win11, p, btxst, -3760

1089 (24 declerations)
spr01, p, khxne, 1700
spr06, w, asxse
spr07, w, nexwe
spr07, p, sexwe, -100
spr10, w, khxse
spr16, p, khxse, 460
spr18, w, btxwe
sum01, w, khxne
sum02, p, wexne, -400
sum03, p, stxvl, 560
aut03, p, asxse, 1360
aut07, w, vlxwe
aut07, p, btxwe, -2120
aut08, w, stxbt
aut12, w, sexne
aut14, p, khxne, -1180
win02, w, khxse
win03, w, asxse
win08, p, khxse, -1970
win13, w, khxst
win14, p, vlxwe, 190
win15, p, stxbt, 770
win16, p, asxse, -750
win20, w, wexbt

1090 (14 declerations)
sum05, w, vlxwe
sum07, p, btxwe, -3670
sum09, w, btxst
sum11, w, asxwe
sum13, p, khxst, -2680
sum13, p, wexvl, 1660
aut08, p, asxwe, 990
aut09, w, wexbt
win01, p, wexbt, -1300
win06, w, khxne
win06, p, nexse, 470
win07, w, wexse
win09, w, vlxbt
win10, p, vlxbt, -2770

1091 (13 declerations)
spr14, w, nexse
spr16, p, nexse, -1170
sum14, w, asxse
sum17, p, wexse, -3020
aut04, w, wexvl
aut11, p, stxbt, -590
aut12, w, nexwe
aut13, p, khxne, 1180
win07, p, asxse, -420
win10, w, btxvl
win10, p, wexvl, -1690
win15, w, sexwe
win16, w, stxkh

1092 (14 declerations)
spr05, p, vlxbt, 580
spr15, p, khxst, 250
sum01, w, khxse
sum01, p, wexse, -4600
aut04, p, wexne, -440
aut08, p, khxse, 1340
aut10, w, sexwe
aut17, w, vlxwe
aut17, w, stxbt
win01, w, nexst
win13, p, stxne, 1720
win19, w, nexbt
win20, p, wexvl, -960
win21, w, asxse

1093 (13 declerations)
spr05, p, wexse, -2870
spr10, w, khxse
spr10, p, nexbt, -450
spr12, p, asxse, -1470
sum01, w, nexwe
sum03, w, asxkh
sum07, p, khxse, 3140
sum10, w, vlxbt
sum10, p, stxbt, -1050
sum12, w, stxne
sum12, p, stxne, -1230
sum14, w, sexwe
sum19, p, btxvl, 490

1094 (15 declerations)
spr06, p, wexse, -1360
spr07, w, stxbt
spr11, w, sexne
spr13, w, vlxwe
spr14, p, wexne, -2370
sum19, p, asxkh, -420
aut12, w, khxse
aut13, p, nexse, -1120
aut16, p, wexvl, -1820
aut20, w, asxkh
aut20, p, sexkh, -3580
win01, w, nexkh
win12, w, wexse
win16, p, btxst, 2170
win20, p, nexkh, -990

total declerations : 152 (11 years)
average declerations per year : 13.8

Here is war / peace decleration data from 1.6.1 (I think 1.6.0 should be similar too) @Blood Gryphon if you want you can analsysis this data. I do not expect big difference from latest analsysis maybe mean war length can be a bit longer like 36-38 days (latest was 32).

 

[Blood Gryphon]

@mexxico peace for vassal looks good, I def agree that steps 1-2 may not be necessary unless its needed due to code reasons. I think even if everytime the vote is 100% supported, the potential new addition of being able to shift support will be a great remedy. Regardless I think most players will be okay with finally letting the AI make peace with the kingdom they are a vassal for, I know that it will extend the time I'm willing to be a vassal.

Also thanks for the data , although I probably wont be able to mess with it until next week due to traveling during this holiday weekend (in US).

Thanks to everyone giving me kudos, but lets be real it's mex who listened and made it happen. I can't thank you enough @mexxico, for not just checking out during your last few months and doing your best to continue to work with us.

 

[froggyluv]

Yeah Mexico's the man no doubt about it but its kinda insane that the game is being fixed via the forums and forumites...like whats Armagon saying about that? If my company id take a good hard look in the mirror and concede the game needs more financing ,and better design from someone with strong vision and the power to vote important features in without needing to get approval from a committee.

Honestly im glad yall are fixing the math that causes snowballing but many of us (im assuming but speaking for myself) dont even play that far into the game because though the math may be there- the game needs a prettier way to get information thru to the player. Immersion that is. Quality telling and interesting UI and character conversation. Math aint enough.

 

[Zorion_no]

This latest addition to voteing will def counter the player being the snowball of a winning faction, but war on many fronts and no peace.
And or not tank the fun with the constant wars going on.

 

[mexxico]

Reason for why steps 1-2 is needed is to inform player about this peace offer is coming from opponent. Otherwise in current state of code this new voting will have king as supporter and we have no information shown at voting screen about this offer is coming from opponent. If we can insert something in voting screen about this offer is coming from opponent then steps 1-2 can be useless but for now this will need some more changes at code part so to inform player about situation steps 1-2 are needed for now.

No problem @Blood Gryphon you can analsysis whenever you want, thanks in advance.

 

[vito397]

Thank you for your hard work @mexxico . I just want to ask something. I see that there are reasons present for making peace ("we are fighting too many factions" and "we might lose this wealth if we do not make peace now"), so can we expect something similar to war declarations as was discussed previously? I am aware that this is not real casus belli mechanic and is purely cosmetic as it just informs the player why the AI does things, but I just want to ask if it is still accepted to be put into the game

 

[mexxico]

Thank you for your hard work @mexxico . I just want to ask something. I see that there are reasons present for making peace ("we are fighting too many factions" and "we might lose this wealth if we do not make peace now"), so can we expect something similar to war declarations as was discussed previously? I am aware that this is not real casus belli mechanic and is purely cosmetic as it just informs the player why the AI does things, but I just want to ask if it is still accepted to be put into the game

Yes this feature will be at 1.6.1, I was not sure about 1.6.1 or 1.6.2 thats why I corrected one of Stan's videos by posting comment. He first said this feature will be ready at 1.6.1 at video's headline then I posted comment about it's not guarenteed and this feature will be ready at 1.6.2 but at latest situation this feature will be added at 1.6.1 because of it seems releasing 1.6.1 will take some more time.

However as you said it is just cosmetic has no effect on gameplay. Anyway still it will make game a bit more living of course. You can see how it will seen at UI in above screenshots placed for peace offer from opponent.

 

[Ulfhedinn_]

Very interesting... It would be wonderful if the other developers had the same vision of this work together with the community.

Good work @mexxico ! Everyone here wants a better Bannerlord.

 

[Apocal]

Reason for why steps 1-2 is needed is to inform player about this peace offer is coming from opponent. Otherwise in current state of code this new voting will have king as supporter and we have no information shown at voting screen about this offer is coming from opponent. If we can insert something in voting screen about this offer is coming from opponent then steps 1-2 can be useless but for now this will need some more changes at code part so to inform player about situation steps 1-2 are needed for now.

Yeah, I figured it was something like that.

 

[YouMoMCallME]

Finally an alliance system

 

[Dabos37]

Great news about these new additions. I have been away during some time, and

start, w, asxse
start, w, khxne
start, w, btxwe
start, w, vlxst

1084 (7 declerations)
aut11, w, nexse
aut13, p, asxse, -5880
win01, p, btxwe, -430
win02, p, stxvl, -430
win09, w, wexse
win14, p, nexse, -340
win21, w, stxkh

1085 (18 declerations)
win01, p, khxne, 1740
spr08, w, nexst
spr08, p, stxkh, 700
sum03, w, btxwe
sum03, p, wexse, 2410
sum05, w, vlxwe
sum08, p, btxwe, -860
sum10, p, stxne, -400
sum17, w, sexas
sum19, w, khxne
aut08, w, stxkh
aut11, p, vlxwe, 1080
aut17, w, wexse
aut17, p, sexas, 390
aut19, w, btxst
aut20, p, stxkh, -150
win16, w, vlxwe
win17, p, wexse, 310

1086 (10 declerations)
spr13, w, sexne
spr14, p, btxst, 390
spr14, p, khxne, -2690
sum01, p, vlxwe, 250
sum03, w, asxse
sum13, p, asxse, 640
aut04, w, wexne
aut04, p, sexne, -1040
aut19, w, sexwe
win16, p, wexse, 680

1087 (13 declerations)
spr01, w, asxse
spr13, w, stxkh
spr20, w, btxst
sum13, p, stxkh, 2170
sum17, w, khxse
sum19, p, sexas, 1590
aut03, w, vlxst
aut04, p, btxst, -1490
win07, p, vlxst, -190
win17, p, nexwe, 510
win18, w, nexkh
win18, p, sexkh, -3210
win21, w, wexse

1088 (11 declerations)
spr05, w, stxkh
spr12, p, stxkh, -740
sum10, w, asxse
sum10, p, wexse, -5540
sum20, w, stxbt
aut14, w, wexbt
aut20, w, sexwe
aut21, p, wexbt, -1100
win02, p, sexas, -3640
win11, w, vlxst
win11, p, btxst, -3760

1089 (24 declerations)
spr01, p, khxne, 1700
spr06, w, asxse
spr07, w, nexwe
spr07, p, sexwe, -100
spr10, w, khxse
spr16, p, khxse, 460
spr18, w, btxwe
sum01, w, khxne
sum02, p, wexne, -400
sum03, p, stxvl, 560
aut03, p, asxse, 1360
aut07, w, vlxwe
aut07, p, btxwe, -2120
aut08, w, stxbt
aut12, w, sexne
aut14, p, khxne, -1180
win02, w, khxse
win03, w, asxse
win08, p, khxse, -1970
win13, w, khxst
win14, p, vlxwe, 190
win15, p, stxbt, 770
win16, p, asxse, -750
win20, w, wexbt

1090 (14 declerations)
sum05, w, vlxwe
sum07, p, btxwe, -3670
sum09, w, btxst
sum11, w, asxwe
sum13, p, khxst, -2680
sum13, p, wexvl, 1660
aut08, p, asxwe, 990
aut09, w, wexbt
win01, p, wexbt, -1300
win06, w, khxne
win06, p, nexse, 470
win07, w, wexse
win09, w, vlxbt
win10, p, vlxbt, -2770

1091 (13 declerations)
spr14, w, nexse
spr16, p, nexse, -1170
sum14, w, asxse
sum17, p, wexse, -3020
aut04, w, wexvl
aut11, p, stxbt, -590
aut12, w, nexwe
aut13, p, khxne, 1180
win07, p, asxse, -420
win10, w, btxvl
win10, p, wexvl, -1690
win15, w, sexwe
win16, w, stxkh

1092 (14 declerations)
spr05, p, vlxbt, 580
spr15, p, khxst, 250
sum01, w, khxse
sum01, p, wexse, -4600
aut04, p, wexne, -440
aut08, p, khxse, 1340
aut10, w, sexwe
aut17, w, vlxwe
aut17, w, stxbt
win01, w, nexst
win13, p, stxne, 1720
win19, w, nexbt
win20, p, wexvl, -960
win21, w, asxse

1093 (13 declerations)
spr05, p, wexse, -2870
spr10, w, khxse
spr10, p, nexbt, -450
spr12, p, asxse, -1470
sum01, w, nexwe
sum03, w, asxkh
sum07, p, khxse, 3140
sum10, w, vlxbt
sum10, p, stxbt, -1050
sum12, w, stxne
sum12, p, stxne, -1230
sum14, w, sexwe
sum19, p, btxvl, 490

1094 (15 declerations)
spr06, p, wexse, -1360
spr07, w, stxbt
spr11, w, sexne
spr13, w, vlxwe
spr14, p, wexne, -2370
sum19, p, asxkh, -420
aut12, w, khxse
aut13, p, nexse, -1120
aut16, p, wexvl, -1820
aut20, w, asxkh
aut20, p, sexkh, -3580
win01, w, nexkh
win12, w, wexse
win16, p, btxst, 2170
win20, p, nexkh, -990

total declerations : 152 (11 years)
average declerations per year : 13.8

Here is war / peace decleration data from 1.6.1 (I think 1.6.0 should be similar too) @Blood Gryphon if you want you can analsysis this data. I do not expect big difference from latest analsysis maybe mean war length can be a bit longer like 36-38 days (latest was 32).

Thank you very much for this info and thank you very much for this:

It is accepted and will be added for player is king scenario. I also wanted to see this in player is vassal scenario but I accept it can be a bit weird. Still I prefer to add it even player is vassal with high decline influence cost. So if player is vassal still opponent faction will not initiate peace - our kingdom will have to make inside voting.

In the future this feature can be changed and opposite side offer can go a secondary voting inside our kingdom for both player is king and vassal scenarios. We will add first this feature as we talk above.

I will try to make this feature is merged to 1.6.1 (it's tests started maybe i can't)

I have been away for some time and it is great to see new nice features which will improve immersion. While this is a small change, it is actually pretty welcome and necessary.

@Blood Gryphon Thanks to you too for great feedback and suggestions as always .

 

[LDominating]

Finally an alliance system

There's an alliance system coming?
@mexxico
@Apocal

 

[SGT_Night]

There's an alliance system coming?
@mexxico
@Apocal

No

 

[Bannerman Man]

I have a question about the "player is king" scenario that was described in the google doc, @mexxico. What happens if you never click on the notification that the other faction wants to make peace? Will it automatically make peace after two days (like regular war/peace votes) using the enemy's offer, or will it just never resolve itself? I ask because there is an influence cost associated with declining the offer, but nothing is forcing the player to click the notification and choose an outcome, so the influence cost could be avoided by simply dismissing or ignoring the notification indefinitely if it is not automatically accepted after some time.

 

[mexxico]

I have a question about the "player is king" scenario that was described in the google doc, @mexxico. What happens if you never click on the notification that the other faction wants to make peace? Will it automatically make peace after two days (like regular war/peace votes) using the enemy's offer, or will it just never resolve itself? I ask because there is an influence cost associated with declining the offer, but nothing is forcing the player to click the notification and choose an outcome, so the influence cost could be avoided by simply dismissing or ignoring the notification indefinitely if it is not automatically accepted after some time.

Yes this was an important problem.

Actually having influence cost for decline offer is not accepted so this problem partly lost its importance. If influence cost was not removed my solution was to pause game and force pop up to appear (like player clicked) (only if player did not open it for 24 hours). Now this is not needed. If player do not open notification at given time period (24 hours) he will lose opportunity of checking offer.

If player is not king and if he is vassal and he do not open notification pop up we can directly start peace voting when 24 hour time period is past.

 

[Dabos37]

start, w, asxse
start, w, khxne
start, w, btxwe
start, w, vlxst

1084 (7 declerations)
aut11, w, nexse
aut13, p, asxse, -5880
win01, p, btxwe, -430
win02, p, stxvl, -430
win09, w, wexse
win14, p, nexse, -340
win21, w, stxkh

1085 (18 declerations)
win01, p, khxne, 1740
spr08, w, nexst
spr08, p, stxkh, 700
sum03, w, btxwe
sum03, p, wexse, 2410
sum05, w, vlxwe
sum08, p, btxwe, -860
sum10, p, stxne, -400
sum17, w, sexas
sum19, w, khxne
aut08, w, stxkh
aut11, p, vlxwe, 1080
aut17, w, wexse
aut17, p, sexas, 390
aut19, w, btxst
aut20, p, stxkh, -150
win16, w, vlxwe
win17, p, wexse, 310

1086 (10 declerations)
spr13, w, sexne
spr14, p, btxst, 390
spr14, p, khxne, -2690
sum01, p, vlxwe, 250
sum03, w, asxse
sum13, p, asxse, 640
aut04, w, wexne
aut04, p, sexne, -1040
aut19, w, sexwe
win16, p, wexse, 680

1087 (13 declerations)
spr01, w, asxse
spr13, w, stxkh
spr20, w, btxst
sum13, p, stxkh, 2170
sum17, w, khxse
sum19, p, sexas, 1590
aut03, w, vlxst
aut04, p, btxst, -1490
win07, p, vlxst, -190
win17, p, nexwe, 510
win18, w, nexkh
win18, p, sexkh, -3210
win21, w, wexse

1088 (11 declerations)
spr05, w, stxkh
spr12, p, stxkh, -740
sum10, w, asxse
sum10, p, wexse, -5540
sum20, w, stxbt
aut14, w, wexbt
aut20, w, sexwe
aut21, p, wexbt, -1100
win02, p, sexas, -3640
win11, w, vlxst
win11, p, btxst, -3760

1089 (24 declerations)
spr01, p, khxne, 1700
spr06, w, asxse
spr07, w, nexwe
spr07, p, sexwe, -100
spr10, w, khxse
spr16, p, khxse, 460
spr18, w, btxwe
sum01, w, khxne
sum02, p, wexne, -400
sum03, p, stxvl, 560
aut03, p, asxse, 1360
aut07, w, vlxwe
aut07, p, btxwe, -2120
aut08, w, stxbt
aut12, w, sexne
aut14, p, khxne, -1180
win02, w, khxse
win03, w, asxse
win08, p, khxse, -1970
win13, w, khxst
win14, p, vlxwe, 190
win15, p, stxbt, 770
win16, p, asxse, -750
win20, w, wexbt

1090 (14 declerations)
sum05, w, vlxwe
sum07, p, btxwe, -3670
sum09, w, btxst
sum11, w, asxwe
sum13, p, khxst, -2680
sum13, p, wexvl, 1660
aut08, p, asxwe, 990
aut09, w, wexbt
win01, p, wexbt, -1300
win06, w, khxne
win06, p, nexse, 470
win07, w, wexse
win09, w, vlxbt
win10, p, vlxbt, -2770

1091 (13 declerations)
spr14, w, nexse
spr16, p, nexse, -1170
sum14, w, asxse
sum17, p, wexse, -3020
aut04, w, wexvl
aut11, p, stxbt, -590
aut12, w, nexwe
aut13, p, khxne, 1180
win07, p, asxse, -420
win10, w, btxvl
win10, p, wexvl, -1690
win15, w, sexwe
win16, w, stxkh

1092 (14 declerations)
spr05, p, vlxbt, 580
spr15, p, khxst, 250
sum01, w, khxse
sum01, p, wexse, -4600
aut04, p, wexne, -440
aut08, p, khxse, 1340
aut10, w, sexwe
aut17, w, vlxwe
aut17, w, stxbt
win01, w, nexst
win13, p, stxne, 1720
win19, w, nexbt
win20, p, wexvl, -960
win21, w, asxse

1093 (13 declerations)
spr05, p, wexse, -2870
spr10, w, khxse
spr10, p, nexbt, -450
spr12, p, asxse, -1470
sum01, w, nexwe
sum03, w, asxkh
sum07, p, khxse, 3140
sum10, w, vlxbt
sum10, p, stxbt, -1050
sum12, w, stxne
sum12, p, stxne, -1230
sum14, w, sexwe
sum19, p, btxvl, 490

1094 (15 declerations)
spr06, p, wexse, -1360
spr07, w, stxbt
spr11, w, sexne
spr13, w, vlxwe
spr14, p, wexne, -2370
sum19, p, asxkh, -420
aut12, w, khxse
aut13, p, nexse, -1120
aut16, p, wexvl, -1820
aut20, w, asxkh
aut20, p, sexkh, -3580
win01, w, nexkh
win12, w, wexse
win16, p, btxst, 2170
win20, p, nexkh, -990

total declerations : 152 (11 years)
average declerations per year : 13.8

Here is war / peace decleration data from 1.6.1 (I think 1.6.0 should be similar too) @Blood Gryphon if you want you can analsysis this data. I do not expect big difference from latest analsysis maybe mean war length can be a bit longer like 36-38 days (latest was 32).

Please keep in mind that I am a Python noob and maybe there is a bug in my script. I have just calculated war length duration and it is 34,9. I have not excluded negotiation wars from the list, so the average war length duration will be probably better when Blood makes his calculations.

Below the wars list information:


Single war: 23
Single war: 19
Single war: 28
Single war: 10
Single war: 24
Single war: 28
Single war: 70
Single war: 13
Single war: 35
Single war: 1
Single war: 56
Single war: 2
Single war: 37
Single war: 45
Single war: 44
Single war: 24
Single war: 21
Single war: 118
Single war: 9
Single war: 18
Single war: 12
Single war: 33
Single war: 5
Single war: 88
Single war: 27
Single war: 43
Single war: 107
Single war: 8
Single war: 55
Single war: 27
Single war: 29
Single war: 76
Single war: 25
Single war: 7
Single war: 54
Single war: 31
Single war: 52
Single war: 39
Single war: 34
Single war: 37
Single war: 36
Single war: 21
Single war: 12
Single war: 100
Single war: 99
Single war: 8
Single war: 34
Single war: 28
Single war: 6
Single war: 137
Single war: 18
Single war: 76
Single war: 8
Single war: 7
Single war: 34
Single war: 6
Single war: 21
Single war: 18
Single war: 58
Single war: 20
Single war: 26
Single war: 29
Single war: 27
Single war: 16
Single war: 42
Single war: 72
Single war: 31
Single war: 28
Single war: 13
Single war: 44
Single war: 33
Single war: 16
Single war: 12
Single war: 12
Single war: 39
Single war: 53


Wars number: 76


War average: 34.921052631578945

I know that is it not as good as what we get from @Blood Gryphon, but I have just made this script for me, and I want to share the information I have got with forum mates.

Keep in mind that I am taking into account the 4 initial wars, so this is the reason because wars numbers is the same than declarations, while there still were some wars ongoing. I have also to fix that my script is messing up the wars order when mixing two dictionaries, so the war list is not sorted keeping in mind the declarations date :p .

 

[mexxico]

Thank you @Dabos37 . Yes average war duration is about 35 days (about 2 season / half year) currently. It can be better if we can make it about 3-4 seasons.

Also average wars per moment is about 3.

 

[Dabos37]

Thank you @Dabos37 . Yes average war duration is about 35 days (about 2 season / half year) currently. It can be better if we can make it about 3-4 seasons.

Also average wars per moment is about 3.

Yes, even 50 days average would be great IMO, and it is probably doable without hurting much the snowballing score. Anyway, every improvement on this is welcome. Thanks for working on this.

 

[Blood Gryphon]

Here is war / peace decleration data from 1.6.1 (I think 1.6.0 should be similar too) @Blood Gryphon if you want you can analsysis this data. I do not expect big difference from latest analsysis maybe mean war length can be a bit longer like 36-38 days (latest was 32).

Ok finally processed it. As mex said there really isn't a big difference in war length. I think one of the most interesting things in this data is the kingdom win percent. Take from it what you will, but always remember this is just one game worth of data for each patch and without player involvement so no guarantee for what the player experiences.

Also great stuff @Dabos37 !

 

[Spinozart1]

start, w, asxse
start, w, khxne
start, w, btxwe
start, w, vlxst

1084 (7 declerations)
aut11, w, nexse
aut13, p, asxse, -5880
win01, p, btxwe, -430
win02, p, stxvl, -430
win09, w, wexse
win14, p, nexse, -340
win21, w, stxkh

1085 (18 declerations)
win01, p, khxne, 1740
spr08, w, nexst
spr08, p, stxkh, 700
sum03, w, btxwe
sum03, p, wexse, 2410
sum05, w, vlxwe
sum08, p, btxwe, -860
sum10, p, stxne, -400
sum17, w, sexas
sum19, w, khxne
aut08, w, stxkh
aut11, p, vlxwe, 1080
aut17, w, wexse
aut17, p, sexas, 390
aut19, w, btxst
aut20, p, stxkh, -150
win16, w, vlxwe
win17, p, wexse, 310

1086 (10 declerations)
spr13, w, sexne
spr14, p, btxst, 390
spr14, p, khxne, -2690
sum01, p, vlxwe, 250
sum03, w, asxse
sum13, p, asxse, 640
aut04, w, wexne
aut04, p, sexne, -1040
aut19, w, sexwe
win16, p, wexse, 680

1087 (13 declerations)
spr01, w, asxse
spr13, w, stxkh
spr20, w, btxst
sum13, p, stxkh, 2170
sum17, w, khxse
sum19, p, sexas, 1590
aut03, w, vlxst
aut04, p, btxst, -1490
win07, p, vlxst, -190
win17, p, nexwe, 510
win18, w, nexkh
win18, p, sexkh, -3210
win21, w, wexse

1088 (11 declerations)
spr05, w, stxkh
spr12, p, stxkh, -740
sum10, w, asxse
sum10, p, wexse, -5540
sum20, w, stxbt
aut14, w, wexbt
aut20, w, sexwe
aut21, p, wexbt, -1100
win02, p, sexas, -3640
win11, w, vlxst
win11, p, btxst, -3760

1089 (24 declerations)
spr01, p, khxne, 1700
spr06, w, asxse
spr07, w, nexwe
spr07, p, sexwe, -100
spr10, w, khxse
spr16, p, khxse, 460
spr18, w, btxwe
sum01, w, khxne
sum02, p, wexne, -400
sum03, p, stxvl, 560
aut03, p, asxse, 1360
aut07, w, vlxwe
aut07, p, btxwe, -2120
aut08, w, stxbt
aut12, w, sexne
aut14, p, khxne, -1180
win02, w, khxse
win03, w, asxse
win08, p, khxse, -1970
win13, w, khxst
win14, p, vlxwe, 190
win15, p, stxbt, 770
win16, p, asxse, -750
win20, w, wexbt

1090 (14 declerations)
sum05, w, vlxwe
sum07, p, btxwe, -3670
sum09, w, btxst
sum11, w, asxwe
sum13, p, khxst, -2680
sum13, p, wexvl, 1660
aut08, p, asxwe, 990
aut09, w, wexbt
win01, p, wexbt, -1300
win06, w, khxne
win06, p, nexse, 470
win07, w, wexse
win09, w, vlxbt
win10, p, vlxbt, -2770

1091 (13 declerations)
spr14, w, nexse
spr16, p, nexse, -1170
sum14, w, asxse
sum17, p, wexse, -3020
aut04, w, wexvl
aut11, p, stxbt, -590
aut12, w, nexwe
aut13, p, khxne, 1180
win07, p, asxse, -420
win10, w, btxvl
win10, p, wexvl, -1690
win15, w, sexwe
win16, w, stxkh

1092 (14 declerations)
spr05, p, vlxbt, 580
spr15, p, khxst, 250
sum01, w, khxse
sum01, p, wexse, -4600
aut04, p, wexne, -440
aut08, p, khxse, 1340
aut10, w, sexwe
aut17, w, vlxwe
aut17, w, stxbt
win01, w, nexst
win13, p, stxne, 1720
win19, w, nexbt
win20, p, wexvl, -960
win21, w, asxse

1093 (13 declerations)
spr05, p, wexse, -2870
spr10, w, khxse
spr10, p, nexbt, -450
spr12, p, asxse, -1470
sum01, w, nexwe
sum03, w, asxkh
sum07, p, khxse, 3140
sum10, w, vlxbt
sum10, p, stxbt, -1050
sum12, w, stxne
sum12, p, stxne, -1230
sum14, w, sexwe
sum19, p, btxvl, 490

1094 (15 declerations)
spr06, p, wexse, -1360
spr07, w, stxbt
spr11, w, sexne
spr13, w, vlxwe
spr14, p, wexne, -2370
sum19, p, asxkh, -420
aut12, w, khxse
aut13, p, nexse, -1120
aut16, p, wexvl, -1820
aut20, w, asxkh
aut20, p, sexkh, -3580
win01, w, nexkh
win12, w, wexse
win16, p, btxst, 2170
win20, p, nexkh, -990

total declerations : 152 (11 years)
average declerations per year : 13.8

Here is war / peace decleration data from 1.6.1 (I think 1.6.0 should be similar too) @Blood Gryphon if you want you can analsysis this data. I do not expect big difference from latest analsysis maybe mean war length can be a bit longer like 36-38 days (latest was 32).

Hi mexxico,

I'm trying to make some kind of analysis from player perspective so could you please confirm me if below interpretation is correct when reading your data?
w, nexse --> Northern Empire declared war to Southern Empire
p, nexse, 100 --> Northern Empire declared peace to Southern Empire. Northern Empire will receive a tribute of 100 denars
p, nexse, -100 --> Northern Empire declared peace to Souternh Empire. Northern Empire will pay a tribute of 100 denars

thx