Lord of Banners
Sergeant at Arms
I never played warband and that’s why I asked. Would be weird to have firearms if they weren’t in war and that’s all I was saying
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"Fire at will"
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Sergeant at Arms
Yes and there's even a proficiency for firearm use in warband. However, you must edit a line in the configs to display the firearm stat and enable the cheatmenu to get the flintlock pistol, which is not a very good weapon.
I think they should say "QUACK" myself.
What is this "something else then"? Make a suggestion.
Bronk the Raven
Recruit
I think it's a good habit to read more than the top post before commenting...
I quote myself from page 1, "I think shoot at will is good enough ?"
Agree with the OP.
It's not a huge thing, but something that should've been considered prior to recording the voice-overs.
It does annoy me to hear it in a non-firearm settings as well. Plenty of other phrases that can be used instead (can provide a comprehensive list for one-time easy payment of $4.99 - it shouldn't be our job to make the game a polished and internally consistent experience).
It's not a huge thing, but something that should've been considered prior to recording the voice-overs.
It does annoy me to hear it in a non-firearm settings as well. Plenty of other phrases that can be used instead (can provide a comprehensive list for one-time easy payment of $4.99 - it shouldn't be our job to make the game a polished and internally consistent experience).
HalfMetalJacket
Knight
I don't recall hearing any voiceline that specifically says 'Fire at Will', all I usually hear is 'loose quivers' or something like that. Fire at will is only on the interface, and is definitely a convenience thing.
You weren't paying attention, then. Or maybe weren't doing too much with your ranged units/skirmishers.
I think I haven't used only one voiceset by now (the "deep female voice" one), and believe all of the other ones use "fire at will!" verbatim as a possibile VO to the command.
All of them have several different lines that play when you use the command, with enough variation that a specific one won't play all that frequently.
It's all wrong if your name happens to be Will.
"Fire at will" was coined because the long reload times of early firearms left a long gap between the time that the faster reloaders were ready to fire again and the time that the slower men were done reloading. That meant that more fire going downrange was possible by allowing each man to fire at his own pace. On the other hand, controlled volleys were preferred in other situations, by withholding fire until the charging enemy was getting uncomfortably close, in order to get the most hits with inherently accurate firearms. Wait too long, and the survivors of the volley would be upon your men before they could switch to melee weapons. Fire too soon and most of your shots miss (as in 95% or more).
The phrase "Ready, AIM, Fire" was not yet in use, because aim was relatively pointless with a weapon that typically scattered its rounds by more than a yard from the aim point at 100 paces, and a man with equipment could cross that distance in 10-15 seconds, far too quickly to reload and fire again.
"Fire at will" was coined because the long reload times of early firearms left a long gap between the time that the faster reloaders were ready to fire again and the time that the slower men were done reloading. That meant that more fire going downrange was possible by allowing each man to fire at his own pace. On the other hand, controlled volleys were preferred in other situations, by withholding fire until the charging enemy was getting uncomfortably close, in order to get the most hits with inherently accurate firearms. Wait too long, and the survivors of the volley would be upon your men before they could switch to melee weapons. Fire too soon and most of your shots miss (as in 95% or more).
The phrase "Ready, AIM, Fire" was not yet in use, because aim was relatively pointless with a weapon that typically scattered its rounds by more than a yard from the aim point at 100 paces, and a man with equipment could cross that distance in 10-15 seconds, far too quickly to reload and fire again.
They used "ready, LEVEL, fire." At least the Brits did, according to extant manuals.
And the very term "fire" literally came from application of a smoldering ignition cord to the blackpowder primer on top of the smoothbore's barrel end.
So... yeah. Hardly something to do with earlier periods at all.
But that meaning was lost with time. Fire now means the same thing as shoot.
Bronk the Raven
Recruit
Tell that to modern day archers ?
Tell that to any average Joe and he'll understand. Don't go confusing technical terms and everyday speech. The average Joe will not bat an eye if you call a strawberry a berry. Botanists aren't cursing us, muggles, every time we do.
No, not the dreaded ahistorical fire arrows!
Actually, we have evidence of fire arrows in ancient china since 900 AD and flaming arrows in ancient judea and assyria since 700 BC. Burning missiles such as lit torches, fire arrows and bolts have been used from antiquity to the medieval period. These are from the 1400s :
Usually, what is wrong with flaming arrows is how they are depicted in popular culture.
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"Fire" applied to cannons until well into the 1800s, as well as early black powder guns, until flints, and later explosive primers, were implemented, making it no longer necessary to apply "fire" to the powder. Since then, "fire" has become a synonym for "shoot". It does not fit into the timeframe of M&B, but this isn't a historical simulation, it's a "low fantasy" game with a strong basis in historical medieval times.
So why use a blatantly ahistorical phrasing when there are plenty better fitting (and non-immersion-breaking) choices?
Your immersion ain't my immersion. My immersion currently requires "fire at will".
As it is easy to understand and already implemented, I do not see it going away anytime soon.
Up for the developers to decide.
Definitely. "shoot at will" doesn't sound as nice as "fire at will". I prefer "fire at will" over any of the alternatives suggested in this thread.
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