Female troops and same Same-sex marriage

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PtitCon

I want to be able to burn every woman alive ingame because I accuse her of beeing a witch! This shouldn´t result in a relationship drop because witches = bad!

That also happened in real life back then....so making a game like Bannerlord without this option makes it less immersive!
I agree. Bannerlord should have witches we can burn at the stake.
Also we should take away the option for female nobles to lead armies, it didn´t really happen back then in real life, so it breaks my immersi
I guess you never heard of Jane d'Arc ( being the easiest most recognizable ) but there were many many many women at the head of armies back then. A cursory search on Wikipedia shall enlighten you.
I also shouldn´t need to talk to my future wife in the game to impress her, should be enough to talk to her father and give him some denars, like it was back then in real life, breaks my immersion
Sure. I agree. But let's not forget that future husbands also could talk to their future bride. It wasn't unheard of. We're not talking exclusively about Islam here.
We can go on forever with this
Naah, I don't have that much time to dedicate to your trolling, thank you, and the less I interact with posters like you the better my account shall fare on these forum.
 
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loulou76100

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I guess you never heard of Jane d'Arc ( being the easiest most recognizable ) but there were many many many women at the head of armies back then. A cursory search on Wikipedia shall enlighten you.

It's Jeanne d'Arc, man... Also, female military leaders were very rare, and if we're talking about female rank and file foot soldiers, that just didn't exist.
 

Grank

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but real life with people of a variety of different sexualities, religions and backgrounds.
Then how about you folks consider that there are people who disagree with this LGBT stuff, and are sick of having it forced down their throats? You don't see me calling people bigots or depraved for not following Islamic values now do you? Not everyone lives in the western sphere and agree with this nonsense. Or what? Are you going to say that LGBT culture is objectively better, true, and everyone who doesn't agree with it is an uneducated bigot? Of course not, right? I trust that you're more sensible than that.

People can be gay if they want. That's fine, but for the love of God just keep your sex stuff to yourselves, in your bedroom. Don't need to flaunt it everywhere. Trying to force it into movies and games and ****s. Come on.
 

PtitCon

It's Jeanne d'Arc, man
Well, I like to call her 'Jane' or 'Janne', arrest me.
Perfectly suitable as an example. She was admitted amongst the king's court and had quite a lot to say on how things were run back in her time.
Also, female military leaders were very rare
Not as rare as they'd like to make you think. There were even a couple of female military leaders in the BCE era, one was even Jewish.
if we're talking about female rank and file foot soldiers, that just didn't exist.
I guess you never heard of shieldmaidens, many of which were high ranking members of their tribe and some were even wives of chieftains, and Amazons, and the female slaves who took up arms against Rome, and many more... There are many other instances but 1) I'm not here to educate anyone and 2) I'm not going out of my way for this forum.
 
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MostBlunted

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Ah come on, I´ve never said there weren´t any female army leaders back then or homosexuals, but that wasn´t the "normal" case back then.

So ok, you want gays because they exists back then? Then I want to have the ability to punish them because that was reality back then:

By the end of the Middle Ages, most of the Catholic churchmen and states accepted and lived with the belief that sexual behavior was, according to Natural Law[14][15][16] aimed at procreation, considering purely sterile sexual acts, i.e. oral and anal sex, as well as masturbation, sinful. However homosexual acts held a special place as crimes against Natural Law. Most civil law codes had punishments for such "unnatural acts," especially in regions which were heavily influenced by the Church's teachings.[citation needed]

In early Medieval years, homosexuality was given no particular penance; it was viewed like all the other sins. For example, during the eighth century, Pope Gregory III gave penances of 160 days for unnatural female acts and usually one year for males who committed acts of sodomy, the passive partner being treated more severely.[17] During the Inquisition itself, individuals were rarely investigated for sodomy alone; it was usually associated with the expression of heretical beliefs and attacks on the Church. Those who did not recant their heresy would be severely punished.[18]

The Papal restoratio of the 11th century led to increasingly harsher attitudes towards Sodomites. The Council of Nablus in 1120, in the Kingdom of Jerusalem, enacted severe penalties for Sodomy in the aftermath of the defeat of the Antiochene army at the Field of Blood the year before. In thirteenth century France Sodomy resulted in castration on the first offense, dismemberment on the second, and burning on the third. Lesbian ( a term never used in the Middle Ages) behavior was punished with specific mutilations for the first two offenses and burning on the third as well. By the mid-fourteenth century in many cities of Italy, civil laws against Sodomy were common. If a person was found to have committed sodomy, the city's government was entitled to confiscate the offender's property.[19]

By 1533, King Henry VIII had enacted the death penalty for sodomy, which became the basis for many anti-sodomy laws to establish the death penalty The Buggery Act 1533. This also led to the fact that although the Renaissance traced its origins to ancient Greece, none of the literary masters dared to publicly proclaim "males' love".[20]

Not as rare as they'd like to make you think. There were even a couple of female military leaders in the BCE era, one was even Jewish.
It was rare compared to male army leaders................................
 

xGreedo

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Good old Warband sexism. That is one of the reason I liked a lot to play as a female in WB. You meet a random lord in Calradia. He mocks you because you are a female then you challenge him and beat his army. His faction does not turn hostile against you since a dicckhead lord of their faction beaten by a woman.
Exactly! This made playing as woman so much more fun!
 

Lucifercode0

Recruit
Then how about you folks consider that there are people who disagree with this LGBT stuff, and are sick of having it forced down their throats? You don't see me calling people bigots or depraved for not following Islamic values now do you? Not everyone lives in the western sphere and agree with this nonsense. Or what? Are you going to say that LGBT culture is objectively better, true, and everyone who doesn't agree with it is an uneducated bigot? Of course not, right? I trust that you're more sensible than that.

People can be gay if they want. That's fine, but for the love of God just keep your sex stuff to yourselves, in your bedroom. Don't need to flaunt it everywhere. Trying to force it into movies and games and ****s. Come on.
Ok so you want to gay people to hide that things in bedroom right like a crime not force it into movies and games? so you can watch straight romance movies and play that type of games but gay people can't what type of movies they are supposed to watch ? and i am bisexual actually have no problem with anything honestly but honestly why someone will force something which are so natural ? i say who does not agree they are actually uneducated bigot there nothing else to say on that .
 

MostBlunted

Sergeant Knight
Ok so you want to gay people to hide that things in bedroom right like a crime not force it into movies and games?
You have to seperate games and real life stuff.

Gay things can of course be in games (and are in a lot of "modern" games) when it makes sense. In a medieval times based game it just doesn´t make sense. Gameplay wise it also doesn´t make sense in Bannerlord (no children possible, clan dies, game over).

Of course it´s fine to suggest stuff like this, but don´t be butthurt when the majority doesn´t agree with you, this also doesn´t make the majority anti gay or something like this.

Religion would be a better fit for a medieval game than beeing gay. It also would add something to the gameplay (like in Crusader Kings). BTW in Crusader Kings you can be gay, haven´t seen many people complaining about that in the CK forums...
 

Spinozart1

Knight
Feature thinking, to avoid the thread derailing and getting on the edge with forum rules:
Implement a romance system allowing same gender relations etc...
Women could be possible as troops only if upgraded from prisoners (but for that you should get female prisoners, which is not even possible in native, is it?).
 

Grank

Sergeant Knight at Arms
WBNWVC
Ok so you want to gay people to hide that things in bedroom right like a crime not force it into movies and games?
Yes.
so you can watch straight romance movies and play that type of games but gay people can't what type of movies they are supposed to watch ?
Yes. Go watch your straight/gay/bi/furry porn in silence.
honestly why someone will force something which are so natural ?
My dung is natural. Shall I force it down your throat?
i say who does not agree they are actually uneducated bigot there nothing else to say on that .
Good. Now shut the **** up.
 

Auldman

Knight at Arms
M&BWF&S
It's a fantasy game, set in a world that never existed. It is not Europe. It's not even accurate in it's present state to Medieval Europe. Of course the developers can and should add in gay love and women in combat and why the hell not? Who cares what women actually did in European history in the middle ages? This isn't Europe and it isn't your middle ages. The game is pretty bland as it is anyway. Some lgbtq spice and gals that can kick your ass would probably liven things up.
 

MostBlunted

Sergeant Knight
It´s a fantasy world based on the real medieval (weapons, armor, stuff like this), can´t deny that or can you? Otherwise, where are my damn dragons and wizards! Wizards could also have a spell to make people gay, bi or whatver? Win/Win?

I would also like to have a unicorn mount which should be upgradable to a flying unicorn mount and it should be able to shoot rainbows out of it´s eyes! I mean, it´s a fantasy world isn´t it?

It could also be a fantasy world where beeing gay doesn´t exist, because it´s not real europe?! :xf-eek:
 

Lord Grindelvald

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WB
Then how about you folks consider that there are people who disagree with this LGBT stuff, and are sick of having it forced down their throats? You don't see me calling people bigots or depraved for not following Islamic values now do you? Not everyone lives in the western sphere and agree with this nonsense. Or what? Are you going to say that LGBT culture is objectively better, true, and everyone who doesn't agree with it is an uneducated bigot? Of course not, right? I trust that you're more sensible than that.

People can be gay if they want. That's fine, but for the love of God just keep your sex stuff to yourselves, in your bedroom. Don't need to flaunt it everywhere. Trying to force it into movies and games and ****s. Come on.

Ah right, I see.
 
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