Looking at armor ratings it seems that the difference between low tier plate armor and mail is often only a few points.The standard Plate Armor has an armor rating of 55 while a coat of plates has the same body armor and a Heraldic Mail with Tabard has 54.That's only a one point difference in armor rating despite going from plate armor to mail and no difference between a coat of plates and a plate armor.
Even when goping to better plate armor the diffrence still seems awfully small a Knights of the dawn plate armor has only 56 body armor ,Mettenheim Plate has 60 and even the pinacle of Mettenheim armor the Forlorn Hope Heavy Suit of Plate is at 62.Magic armor like the Noldor anicent Plate is still only a 66 BA.Only the enhanced versions of the Mystical Rune Plate have significantly higher armor rating than most other armors.
It often feel like there is very little impact on upgrading to a better suit of armor ,going from mail to plate certainly should be more than 1 point and in some cases the plate armor has rating 53 armor in which case it is not an upgrade at all.I think plate armor should have a significant increase in effectivniss compared to mail or simliar armor just as mail should have a significant icnrese over leather or gambeson.Not just due to the better protection of the armor itself but because it also covers more of the body.
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Comparing this to swords: A steel sword has 29c damage a Silvered Longsword 34c, a Noldor runesword 39c, a strange runesword 45c .And this is without strenght,profiencies and powerstrike who together can more than double the damage dealt.Pierce and blunt weapon will also ignore a higher percentage of the armor rating.
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There is no simliar mechanic for armor a 55 plate amor will always have a defense of 55.Infact it will have a defense bewtween 50% and 100% of the shown armor value meaning that it actually performs worse than it should.On average it will have only 75% of it's shown armor so a 55 armor will actually perform like 41,25 armor.
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Thrown weapons deal similarly huge damage which is usually pierce.A Javelin will deal 42p without any damage modifiers from power throw or strenght.With 3 powerthorw it will already deal 54.6p damage ,with 6 powerthrow it is 67.2p.It seems strange that a pointy stick will penetrate through plate like this despite it being thrown without the help of a tool like a bow.And this is just a low tier weapon without any magical properties(I don't think there are any).The strongest throwing weapon the great Galfak will do 60p and when thrown by their users(Kraken Riddari)deal 114p damage without the strenght bonus.
And then there is the ammo capacity it would be fine for top tier throwers to deal huge damge even if it is unrealistic but they carry massive ammounts of ammunition.Historically
users of throwing spears usually carried 3-5 spears.Yet Javelins ingame are carried in bundles of 12.
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And crossbows even low tier ones turn the average plate armor into a joke.My current char is wearing Forlon hope plate (62),lordly gauntlets (13) and a helm that gives 5 body armor.Yet brigands with their hunting crossbows will commonly deal 12-20 damage to me on a body shot.The amount of times knights die to low tier crossbows ingame is ridiculous.Compared to simliar low tier archers they far more effectiv.A wooden shield can withstand dozens of shoots but a full steel plate is turned into swiss cheese?
It took heavy arbalests to penetrate proper plate armor and even then it wasn't guranteed.Late medieval plate armor was tested against heavy crossbows and early firearms and proof armor would only get it's proof if it would withand a shot.A hunting crossbow wouldn't even dent the armor.I am under the impression that Mettenheim makes the best human armor in the world Pendor plays in ,yet even their top tier armor is penetrated by a weapon made for hunting?A small maiden crossbow than can be used on a horse punches through enchanted Noldor plate?
Crossbows in Pendor already relaod far faster than real ones they really shouldn't invalidate heavy armor even at low tiers if feels terrible to play a two handed char.
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Even 5 points of body armor seems to be an incredible low increase when going from mail to full body plate armor and it's often less than that.Joining a Knighthood Order and getting their armor doesn't feel like much of a reward if my starting armor has only 4 less armor.It would feel much more rewarding if proper armor would have noticable differences to the armor many players start with.Especially since it doesn't have the same massive point increase that damage has. once the player levels up.
It would also buff knights and other high tie unitsr I can solo a Dawn Knight Patrol+ sergants at low levels but a Eventide Patrol is impossible due the sergants outperfoming the knights.
So hoping that this doesn't count as a short question is there any chance that armor could be made better or at least have more noticable differences in tier and quality?
Even when goping to better plate armor the diffrence still seems awfully small a Knights of the dawn plate armor has only 56 body armor ,Mettenheim Plate has 60 and even the pinacle of Mettenheim armor the Forlorn Hope Heavy Suit of Plate is at 62.Magic armor like the Noldor anicent Plate is still only a 66 BA.Only the enhanced versions of the Mystical Rune Plate have significantly higher armor rating than most other armors.
It often feel like there is very little impact on upgrading to a better suit of armor ,going from mail to plate certainly should be more than 1 point and in some cases the plate armor has rating 53 armor in which case it is not an upgrade at all.I think plate armor should have a significant increase in effectivniss compared to mail or simliar armor just as mail should have a significant icnrese over leather or gambeson.Not just due to the better protection of the armor itself but because it also covers more of the body.
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Comparing this to swords: A steel sword has 29c damage a Silvered Longsword 34c, a Noldor runesword 39c, a strange runesword 45c .And this is without strenght,profiencies and powerstrike who together can more than double the damage dealt.Pierce and blunt weapon will also ignore a higher percentage of the armor rating.
https://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=346233.0
There is no simliar mechanic for armor a 55 plate amor will always have a defense of 55.Infact it will have a defense bewtween 50% and 100% of the shown armor value meaning that it actually performs worse than it should.On average it will have only 75% of it's shown armor so a 55 armor will actually perform like 41,25 armor.
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Thrown weapons deal similarly huge damage which is usually pierce.A Javelin will deal 42p without any damage modifiers from power throw or strenght.With 3 powerthorw it will already deal 54.6p damage ,with 6 powerthrow it is 67.2p.It seems strange that a pointy stick will penetrate through plate like this despite it being thrown without the help of a tool like a bow.And this is just a low tier weapon without any magical properties(I don't think there are any).The strongest throwing weapon the great Galfak will do 60p and when thrown by their users(Kraken Riddari)deal 114p damage without the strenght bonus.
And then there is the ammo capacity it would be fine for top tier throwers to deal huge damge even if it is unrealistic but they carry massive ammounts of ammunition.Historically
users of throwing spears usually carried 3-5 spears.Yet Javelins ingame are carried in bundles of 12.
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And crossbows even low tier ones turn the average plate armor into a joke.My current char is wearing Forlon hope plate (62),lordly gauntlets (13) and a helm that gives 5 body armor.Yet brigands with their hunting crossbows will commonly deal 12-20 damage to me on a body shot.The amount of times knights die to low tier crossbows ingame is ridiculous.Compared to simliar low tier archers they far more effectiv.A wooden shield can withstand dozens of shoots but a full steel plate is turned into swiss cheese?
It took heavy arbalests to penetrate proper plate armor and even then it wasn't guranteed.Late medieval plate armor was tested against heavy crossbows and early firearms and proof armor would only get it's proof if it would withand a shot.A hunting crossbow wouldn't even dent the armor.I am under the impression that Mettenheim makes the best human armor in the world Pendor plays in ,yet even their top tier armor is penetrated by a weapon made for hunting?A small maiden crossbow than can be used on a horse punches through enchanted Noldor plate?
Crossbows in Pendor already relaod far faster than real ones they really shouldn't invalidate heavy armor even at low tiers if feels terrible to play a two handed char.
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Even 5 points of body armor seems to be an incredible low increase when going from mail to full body plate armor and it's often less than that.Joining a Knighthood Order and getting their armor doesn't feel like much of a reward if my starting armor has only 4 less armor.It would feel much more rewarding if proper armor would have noticable differences to the armor many players start with.Especially since it doesn't have the same massive point increase that damage has. once the player levels up.
It would also buff knights and other high tie unitsr I can solo a Dawn Knight Patrol+ sergants at low levels but a Eventide Patrol is impossible due the sergants outperfoming the knights.
So hoping that this doesn't count as a short question is there any chance that armor could be made better or at least have more noticable differences in tier and quality?