A Big And Bad Mistake

[Sibilance]

again i want to refer to my point about the gauchos being in mexico, if you see the link of the op you will read the next

Gaucho (gaúcho in Portuguese, gaucho in Spanish) is a term commonly used to describe residents of the South American pampas, chacos, or Patagonian grasslands, found principally in parts of Argentina, Uruguay, Southern Chile, and Southern Region, Brazil. In Brazil, it is also used to designate people from the state of Rio Grande do Sul.

gauchos aren't from mexico they are principally from argentina, chile and uruguay, his mexican equivalent are called charros

This is the core of the matter. I know 1866 prides itself on historical accuracy, so "charro" is the term you want here.

 

[Eaglebucky]

BloodEagle729: Are you trying to tick someone off by saying "poor mexican" because if you are I can think of a lot worse

Racaoma : Dude if you are seriously this pissed about it you could of just fixed it your self with starting this

 

[Kitteh]

So, what do you guys would think if there a bandit troop called "American" or even "Cowboy"? I'm sure you would hate it and ask for a change... That's how I'm feeling....

By the way, I really woundn't mind if there is a bandit troop called "Racaoma" as Penis Colada said, I just wonder if it would be realistic...

I wouldn't care at all. You must have some emotional problems if you get this violently butthurt over the name of a troop in a Mount&Blade mod.

 

[azrael23]

I could start crying about the stereotypical Australian guy in the mod but honestly... who cares?

 

[Onasaki]

Wow. Just.. wow.

How can someone be so damned sensitive? It's a game, for one, and for two Racism and **** back then was at the worst peak of all of American History. Considering, Slavery existed what...10 years prior to that? Maybe less? Takes place somewhere between the Civil War, and the Aftermath or something?

Anyway, who gives a rats ass if there's a singular word that somehow translates into "cowboy"? Do you see people complaining and crying about how there are certain civilizations in other mods that are considered "Bad Guys"? I don't think so, and I really don't see the point of coming on here and making a big giant rant about how it's some how racist against you. And how they somehow targeted you, Random Gaucho#44-53221.

And if someone made America the "bad guys" in their mod? I wouldn't give a damn. I know my home is filled with assholes, idiots, and all sorts of crazy people. That's why it's called the home of the free, we let any random jackass walk on our soil and do pretty much what they want until the police catch them and throw them into a cell next to some guy named Bubba. So, in retrospect, America isn't really all that free anyway.

But that's not the point, the point is you're taking this way too seriously. It's a damned game, it's for fun, it's for boredum, its..well... A GAME. So, while you cry on here, I'mma go shoot up some Gauchos. Adios.

EDIT: Oh, and for the record I think the creators did alot of research for it. Couldn't throw a mod like this togather from pulling info from your ass. XD

 

[Kitteh]

I could start crying about the stereotypical Australian guy in the mod but honestly... who cares?

fun fact: My Australian friend (lives in Melbourne) helped me write the dialog for him.

 

[Overlord-]

These names are just for variety....otherwise every bandit could be called "human"-and that suck

 

[LCJr]

http://www.digiovanni.co.uk/essays/the-gauchos.htm

The range, however, was unending, unowned, and unfenced, and cattle and horses multiplied and roamed wild. This situation gave impetus to the gaucho malo, or outlaw. Hence, in time the word gaucho became a synonym for 'ne’er-do-well', 'robber', or even 'murderer'. After the outset of the revolution against Spain, in which the gaucho was to make an indispensable contribution, attitudes slowly changed and there even grew up a whole genre - literatura gauchesca - in prose and verse, in which gaucho life was described, aggrandized, and ultimately turned into myth.

 

[Maeglin Dubh]

http://www.digiovanni.co.uk/essays/the-gauchos.htm

The range, however, was unending, unowned, and unfenced, and cattle and horses multiplied and roamed wild. This situation gave impetus to the gaucho malo, or outlaw. Hence, in time the word gaucho became a synonym for 'ne’er-do-well', 'robber', or even 'murderer'. After the outset of the revolution against Spain, in which the gaucho was to make an indispensable contribution, attitudes slowly changed and there even grew up a whole genre - literatura gauchesca - in prose and verse, in which gaucho life was described, aggrandized, and ultimately turned into myth.

+1 to win.

 

[tomandre81]

Hello Guys. I was looking at the 1866 Guide when I saw something that pissed me of. I want to know WHY there is a Bandit troop called "Gaucho"... Since I'm a Gaucho I'm very very very pissed of with this. The term Gaucho is to designate someone that is resident of the South American pampas, Chacos, Patagonian grasslands OR from the Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Sul (my case). They were and are LAWFUL people and excellent riders. " Like the North American cowboys, gauchos are generally reputed to be strong, HONEST, silent types, but proud and capable of violence when provoked." In my experience, gauchos are really skillful with the horse and usually carry simply pistols with a bag of ammo, for self protection, and a large knife with many uses such as cutting the meat, since his diet was composed almost entirely by beef, and for self protection too. They really are quiet people who avoid fight while they can, but if they are provoked, fight is inevitable because they are EXTREMELY proud. Their honor, horse and family is everything for them.

What are really pissing me of is the fact that they are BANDITS and, the worse, A low-grade troop! They should be the bests of the bests! (this last part is only a nationalism so don't worry). It's interesting to remember that the world most beautiful woman is Gaucha, one of the best specialist of special effects is Gaucho (the one who made "2012" and "The Day After Tomorrow"), the world most genius Java programmer is from here AND one of the best cardiologist doctor is from here too beyond some other thing I don't remember or don't know.

I hope you guys fix this soon or at least make it stink less for my nose...
They match perfectly to be ranch owner in the game (almost the entire popolation were rural people and the richer were "estancias"(ranch) owners) or lurking troops (they were generally nomadic) but not BANDITS!

Here is what wikipedia says: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucho
And here is 2 pics:

http://seriesedesenhos.com/br/images/stories/gaucho.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_z9sdczJFV9k/SvxSPUF6cOI/AAAAAAAAAa8/ntSoU-WN8Vc/s400/gaucho.jpg

Dude, relax 

 

[Chaunsey]

while he is of course right, he does have to realize that this mod is based very heavily on western lore, the kind of stuff that was found in dime novels and john wayne movies.


like it or not this is the reality of western lore, its the image of the western cattlemen, be they mexican, american or whatever, they are considered to be on both extremes, there are the noble rugged freedom loving ones, and the immoral lawless ones.


in western lore, cowboys, gauchos, vaqueros, charros and indians among other groups are all represented in both good and bad light at times, there is no reason to take that as jab at ALL people of that type.

in western movies many of the villains ARE cowboys in fact. yet real life cowboys love western movies and the good image of cowboys is not seen as tarnished by this portrayal. so even if the game displays gauchos as bandits that's no reason to feel like it is an insult to all gauchos.

that being said, he is right that the word gaucho refers more to a south american.

vaquero means much the same thing, however it was the common term used in northern mexico and texas, which is the area of this mod, so i think vaquero would be a more historically accurate term.

 

[Racaoma]

I don't know why there are so many complains. I just said that the word "Gaucho" is incorrect for the historyline. There weren't any "Gaucho" in the western nor "Bandits Gauchos" there. The realism of the mod is heavenly damaged in this point. Keeping that name is, beyond for me something that makes me angry, something that kills the realism of the game. I think is ridiculous start a discussion in something that just need a really small change... I really don't care if you guys put laser guns or tanks in the mod, it will just make it idiot and unrealistic. I think the word "Charros" as it was suggested would correct everything. Beyond that, I think that is just pathetic try to offend me for something so simple. It demonstrates how there are immature men in the world.  As one great philosopher once said "I can disagree from what you say, but I will hear you say until the end".

I understand what you guys said and I admit that I was too much emotional, but I really care about it and I hope you guys could fix it (not for me but for the mod) and beyond that, I'm not a "Mexican" BloodEagle729....

 

[SirNight33]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaucho

Uhm...Even wikipedia says the term was used in 1816 to describe south american vagabonds so dont think it needs to be changed.........

"The Gaucho" was a 1927 film starring Douglas Fairbanks. In it he plays the Gaucho, a heroic leader of a gang of outlaws that try to save a city overtaken by an evil general.

Honestly tho who cares I didnt even know what a Gaucho was before this thread LOL!


P.S. Think OP is just pissed off.......

 

[Kitteh]

I don't know why there are so many complains. I just said that the word "Gaucho" is incorrect for the historyline. There weren't any "Gaucho" in the western nor "Bandits Gauchos" there. The realism of the mod is heavenly damaged in this point. Keeping that name is, beyond for me something that makes me angry, something that kills the realism of the game. I think is ridiculous start a discussion in something that just need a really small change... I really don't care if you guys put laser guns or tanks in the mod, it will just make it idiot and unrealistic. I think the word "Charros" as it was suggested would correct everything. Beyond that, I think that is just pathetic try to offend me for something so simple. It demonstrates how there are immature men in the world.  As one great philosopher once said "I can disagree from what you say, but I will hear you say until the end".

I understand what you guys said and I admit that I was too much emotional, but I really care about it and I hope you guys could fix it (not for me but for the mod) and beyond that, I'm not a "Mexican" BloodEagle729....

Nice double standard and hypocrisy there. Locked topic, and please stay out of this forum section.