2016 U.S. Presidential Elections: The Circus Is In Full Swing

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eddiemccandless said:
The problem is that Trump is just the symptom. This is happening because people have lost trust in the Democrats, and they have good reasons to do so. And the person who is corrupt at 100% has no shame and will blatantly lie, telling desperate people what they want to hear, and they will fall for it and vote for him because what the hell, it's not like the other side cares. He's been around less, maybe it will work. What do I have to lose?

No matter how this ends, I see this election as a complete failure for Democrats. If this is the best they can do against an actual fascist who also happens to be completely incompetent, there's something that went seriously wrong.
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Democrats are to blame for Trump's absolute corruption? That's the stupidest thing I've seen you write. Desperate people? because they may have to accept racial equality? Give me a break.

Trump has been corrupt since age 8 because his mommy and daddy didn't give him enough discipline.
 
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Everyone got their 'Biden was picked by Democrat overlords' out of their system? Cool. Back to reality, this wasn't the case these elections.

Hillary, by contrast, built her connections and secured funding over decades of politicking. Other Democrats decided not to run against her because 1. she already secured the funding 2. she was immensely popular, even among Republicans (before the election) 3. they decided to rally behind her and reduce the pool of Democratic candidates. That's it. That's the scandal.

You're technically allowed to prompt up candidates within your own party. The real harm is that, in a two-party system, robbing voters of potential candidates limits their ability to choose.
 
Uhm, excuse me. Hillary was widely despised even among Democrats. Lack of other viable candidates hurt them more. She was even more despised among voters in 2016 than Trump cause he wasn't as well known. Analysts have talked about this throughout this campaign.
 
Lord Brutus said:
Uhm, excuse me. Hillary was widely despised even among Democrats. Lack of other viable candidates hurt them more. She was even more despised among voters in 2016 than Trump cause he wasn't as well known. Analysts have talked about this throughout this campaign.
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Yup. But before the campaign train got going, she was the most popular Democratic candidate by far.

Lack of other viable candidates absolutely hurt them. But we only know that now in retrospect.
 
I was a member of the my County Democratic Party Executive Committee from 1976 till 1996 and we did everything we could think of to discourage Hillary from thinking of herself as a candidate at any time. First Lady was fine but she had no appeal to voters.
 
stevehoos said:
To say that the democrat policies in 2020 do not align with socialist ideals is remarkably ignorant as the party has firmly endorsed this. I will not even entertain your baseless supposition that I have a broad or useless definition of socialism, thanks.
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...it's not baseless anymore now that you've definitely provided for grounds to believe that you don't know or dare say it. He's just asking for a definition, why are you so upset.
 
Lord Brutus said:
Democrats are to blame for Trump's absolute corruption? That's the stupidest thing I've seen you write. Desperate people? because they may have to accept racial equality? Give me a break.

Trump has been corrupt since age 8 because his mommy and daddy didn't give him enough discipline.
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Come on now, don't put things I didn't say in my mouth (well, my keyboard I suppose). Trump's corruption is entirely his fault. The fact that he is president, and the fact that this election is a close call, that's definitely on the Democrats.

And no, desperate people because they struggle to make it to the end of the month, and they see no way out of it because everything seems rigged against them. Not everyone who votes for Trump is a racist or a bigot. They are there, sure and there's probably more than we like to think, but it's not all of them and I would wager that they are not even close to being the majority. You do realize that more than 68 million people have voted for him right? And not all of them were white. Do you really think that every single one of them is a racist?

Unless the Democrats own their mistakes and start actually doing something to benefit the people this will happen again.
 
eddiemccandless said:
Come on now, don't put things I didn't say in my mouth (well, my keyboard I suppose). Trump's corruption is entirely his fault. The fact that he is president, and the fact that this election is a close call, that's definitely on the Democrats.

And no, desperate people because they struggle to make it to the end of the month, and they see no way out of it because everything seems rigged against them. Not everyone who votes for Trump is a racist or a bigot. They are there, sure and there's probably more than we like to think, but it's not all of them and I would wager that they are not even close to being the majority. You do realize that more than 68 million people have voted for him right? And not all of them were white. Do you really think that every single one of them is a racist?

Unless the Democrats own their mistakes and start actually doing something to benefit the people this will happen again.
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Even now, Trump supporters, about 150 of them, all armed, are in the parking lot outside the building where votes are being counted in Maricopa County, Arizona chanting "Stop the count." Just a sample of the kind of intimidation Trump encourages. None of them are Mexican. All are white racists. I refuse to put blame for this on Democrats since Democrats favor the kind of legislation that would benefit these people if they could get the racism out of their heads. I live in NC. I've met these people first hand and there are a lot of them.

And Kurczak mentioned Zapata county in Texas voting for Trump. I can guarantee there was some armed intimidation of voters going on there.
 
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Lord Brutus said:
Even now, Trump supporters, about 150 of them, all armed, are in the parking lot outside the building where votes are being counted in Maricopa County, Arizona chanting "Stop the count."
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funnily enough, the ones in maricopa actually appear to be chanting "count the votes", unlike the rest of the trump crowds in other locations.
 
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Cute Anime Girl said:
In your opinion, do you think that there's some sort of convenience or benefit to using money? I acknowledge that it has problems.

Efficiency → post-scarcity → Marxism

I fixed Marxism, you're welcome.
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Yes, obviously you couldn't operate an advanced economy on some sort of barter system. But the problem remains that power will accumulate and eventually there will need to be a reckoning with that. Your problem is that you have no conception of power, it's just good/smart policy and bad/dumb policy which is an understandable side effect of having lawyer/economist-brain.

The technocratic ideology, apart from finding it hard to appeal to people for understandable reasons, will completely without self-awareness continue to hurtle us towards catastrophy and it's very unlikely that the majority of adherents will ever come to realize what's happening.
 
It reminds me a bit of a Norwegian, half-joking, definition of what social democracy means. It means "whatever the current policies of the Labour Party are".

To be clear, the Democratic party is explicitly not socialist, unless you use a definition where the majority of countries in modern history were socialist.
 
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