Why tho? I think every competitive game is balanced for high-skilled players because others know less and they will always adapt or don't even find the difference. I don't really think that siege bois or players without certain experience will care about balancing. Now I see that almost every game without clan members is 6 cav or 6 archers cancer and BEAST matches are fine cus we have class limits. Do I really wanna put my efforts in game to receive this kind of experience in competitive if we lift the limitations? Nah
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1.5.5 Balance and Further Changes
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I ask the question here, apologizing if it doesn't really fit into the topic of conversation, but you don't want to make several patches? One for the captain mode and the other for the skirmish like in the Starcraft game(E sport game) where you have a patch for the singleplayer and the other for the multiplayers
EDIT: By this I mean two different modules with different options depending on the game mode for example, perks that are modified according to the mode of play between the captain and Skirmish mode
EDIT: By this I mean two different modules with different options depending on the game mode for example, perks that are modified according to the mode of play between the captain and Skirmish mode
I have to agree on this. AVRC has been talking gibberish the last days. As much as I try to understand his point of view, I just cannot. We are here to give feedback and there he comes with the argument that we all need to be willing to play any class any time. This is not what the discussion is about and with this mentality its useless to give feedback in the first place..
I disagree, i mean it should be balanced by looking at people who know what they are doing and tryhard. This goes for every game and sport which calls itself competitive.
It would be a huge surprise if you didn't. Particular perks that are considered "meta" in BEAST will be under-represented in these global statistics.
Also, player disparity is a massive factor, meaning global stats will be pushed hard to 50% because having the superior team determines who wins almost every single match.
In Captain tournaments (pre 1.5), I tracked Empire at 61.90% round winrate (210 rounds played), Khuzait at 43.94% (132), and Battania at 20.18% (114). In public play and even in scrims, the faction differences were noticeable, but never felt THAT significant except for Battania, which was categorically bad.
However, if the games are non-competitive, does balance really matter in them?
Small stat changes will be unnoticeable to new players but they might make a significant difference in a tournament.
Aprikosenmann
Knight
If random skirmish is no fun, our competitive skirmish is wasted. No one will ever find interest in what we are doing. If someone likes random skirmish and plays alot of it, he will much more likely be interested in competitive play.
This gamemode will never attract lots of players, all we can hope for is a trickle down from battle.
I never said to make random Skirmish unfun, only that it should be balanced around the players using the engine the best. You can have both.
I wouldn't want to play a game that intentionally got worse and less balanced as I got better at it.
We will need to look at chambers at a later point. It would require a rework of all transition animations, or a whole new system. What's happening now is that we check if weapons are colliding, but (for swings) the profile/collision area of your weapons when transitioning is extremely flat, so its really hard to collide your weapon with an incoming one.
We will definitely look at it, but honestly will rather focus on other combat changes that are more urgent and require less resources to do.
Just this. Don't make of this game a total war saga. Mount&Blade was always about manual,skill,experience.
Excellent communication. Thank you for the update. The threads in my Signature are about all I have to say about balance atm, but I will say that the Wildling and Sturgian Raider are exactly what Im looking for from medium infantry, and it would be nice to see other factions get equivalents.
The Khuzait Spearman is still too expensive and slow to fit the definition, and the Aserai units are slightly too light. The Vlandian unit that received the sword/shield needs a 1handed spear option to go with the swobo. Empire still lacks anything close to medium infantry.
The Khuzait Spearman is still too expensive and slow to fit the definition, and the Aserai units are slightly too light. The Vlandian unit that received the sword/shield needs a 1handed spear option to go with the swobo. Empire still lacks anything close to medium infantry.
greedogre
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feel little disappointed while there was no mention of cav nerf. currently in skirmish the outcome of the combat is heavily depend on initial cav fight, cav with disruption and high dmg due to spear speed buff make even a single cav player involving in a infantry fight it could influence the outcome very heavily, especially the heavy cav can completely knock you off which happen way too much post 1.55, and spear buff make it even possible for 2 strike in a single run by, cataphract with spear and shield is the worst right now.
We are in process of bringing back Weekend Cups to Bannerlord. Rules are being worked on at the moment with first, exhibition, edition being planned for next weekend.
I can tell you already that we wont be having class limits.
This is taken from our rules:
"Throughout the duration of Bannerlord's Early Access stage Weekend Cup
will remain a tool for the developers, players and general competitive BL community to experiment and test game's classes, factions balancing, match formats, equipment and perks in the competitive environment."So maybe this can help with testing classes bit more, without risking BEAST's class limits rule set (if the voting goes that way) that has been working nicely for that competition so far.
