Got some hours to spare before my flight. It is also probably my last opportunity before my deadline to make a longer post.
Xardob said:
5. Arch3r - Runner up for worst opening vote alongside Eternal.
This just screams wolf not wanting to get involved in anything that might bring him trouble. Jumped right into the Fishy wagon after that. The entire argument was pointless. Then, there's his
LoS. Aside from a couple players, he doesn't seem to have a strong opinion on anyone, almost as if he's keeping his options open. His opinion on Fishy is particularly interesting. If Fishys is indeed innocent, I bet this is a wolf defending someone he knows is a villager and made a bad mistake, just to look good after the innocent is lynched. His entire case against Jock and me seems to revolve around our comments about each other, which is poor hunting, unless you're a wolf.
... or it's just my 2nd time playing and fixing a mistake? And, I am jumping on the Fishy wagon - and I am defending him? Which one is it?
At the time, he was the only one with a longer post, so I commented on it. If you call that jumping on the Fishy Wagon (commenting on his post) and defending him (not voting for him, despite commenting his logic was flawed), then I disagree with your logic.
Xardob said:
Aside from a couple players, he doesn't seem to have a strong opinion on anyone, almost as if he's keeping his options open.
As if. There is so much wrong with this statement.
Aside from a couple players... isn't that enough? There's only 8 other players. How many players should I accuse for it be enough? Apparently only your style of LoS is good enough, where everybody is a different kind of wolf, is that it? Speaking of keeping options open...
A strong opinion ... what qualifies as a strong opinion? A vote? I did vote. How is your opinion any stronger than mine, I fail to see it.
And once more about the 'keeping options open' ... 4 days before the deadline and with some players hardly having posted anything, yes I am keeping options open until the people that may have been too busy to post thus far, also start posting. Guilty as charged.
I personally think this whole veteran act is rather annoying. Making statements like:
Gauging player reactions by placing votes is what every experienced player does. Well, almost every experienced player. There are those that sit in the corner smoking, commenting cynically on everybodies attempts at getting something going, and twirling their chest hair, and that's that. Not sure that gets us a lot further.
This is what veterans do and what players should do, to try to shoehorn people into your playing style and thus:
Xardob said:
to manipulate interactions for outcomes they prefer.
(Disclaimer: yes the quote is deliberately taken out of context)
Plus then there's using names like Adaham, Eternal, Vieira. These are names that don't say me much and come across as flexing knowledge - "I know this player better than you"
End of rant, mostly unrelated to wolf hunting. I say mostly, because I do believe the veterans probably have set up this whole routine in which it is hard to distinguish their act as a villager from their act as a wolf. If I were a veteran player and a wolf (or: if I were Xardob), I'd just copy the exact same thing I always do: start with some crisscross voting to gauge reactions and end up accusing everybody of being a wolf and trying to manipulate people into voting for those you see as a threat. Bringing me back to this.
Xardob said:
You see, WW is a game of asymmetrical information. The wolves are always more informed than the village. That means it's way easier to manipulate interactions for outcomes they prefer. They can easily choose who they want to appear to be defending, who they attack, which players they want to be linked to and who to distance from. A villager doesn't have any of that and must work based on assumptions. And when you're linking two players who are still alive, you're working from multiple assumptions, that the wolves can easily manipulate. Once you have a confirmed dead wolf, it's easier, but I still think it's mostly a bad idea because you never know when the wolf in question was manipulating interactions to lead the village off.
So, how aren't you
exactly what you describe as being a wolf-action? You list me as your highest suspect of being a wolf (unless I got your ordering wrong), you list Jock as ... safe?
Xardob said:
4. Jock - This
post is his most problematic so far. Framing the discussion on his terms so that he can railroad it however he wants. Then signaling his innocence without actually acting on it. I'm also uncomfortable with anyone defending me, so add another strike to him.
I know I've been flying a bit under the radar and am probably coming off a tad hypocritical when mentioning other inactive people, no excuses there.
This also seems very self conscious. Anything you got to hide, Jock?
Domesticated wolves - Jock, Vieira and Dago
Then you hardly seem to formulate an opinion on him and try to distance yourself from him defending you. Has he made a mistake in defending you? And now you try to distance yourself from him, by saying that's uncomfortable... but still try to paint him off as innocent? I find that rather suspect.
To sum up:
- You and Jock seem to be overly friendly.
- I vote for, and focus on Jock, you try to dismiss me as saying I do not have any strong opinion about anyone.
- You state wolves "can easily choose who they want to appear to be defending, who they attack, which players they want to be linked to and who to distance from".
- You defend Jock, attack Fishy and me and ... possibly try to link yourself to these veterans?: Waiting for the moon to come out - Adaham, Eternal and MaHuD
To clarify the last part. You put them in the middle, basically stating "I am not defending you, but I do not think you're a real suspect either". Eternal/Marowit is the odd one out here, as he has not posted much, but I reckon you want to be on good terms with Adaham and MaHuD as they're vocal and as you described MaHuD: aggressive. I suppose you're hoping they'll also go easy on you? As for Eternal, your only comment on him is that he's a lazy wolf?
Xardob said:
Dago Wolfrider said:
I mean studying the relations between players will be really important the following days.
I suppose I should go in detail why I think pack hunting is bad, specially while you do with both players still alive.
"Pack hunting is bad" - Person accused of being in a pack with Jock.