lolbash said:I guess we will have to wait till bannerlord releases to find out
Lol
lolbash said:I guess we will have to wait till bannerlord releases to find out
KhergitLancer80 said:It is dumb because while armor touches to its carriers body, there is a space between a shield on the back and its carrier.
Even if the shield is not concave the space will exist simply because the human back isnt flat.
So even if the whole arrowhead manages to pierce through shield it will stop somewhere between the shield and the body.
Heck, lets say it is not a concave shield and arrow managed to hit the place where the shield touches body.Because of the holding thing the contact place is the centre of the shield and it is covered in metal.
jamoecw said:well shield adds its armor to your own when on back in game. in real life hard armor stops arrows (even soft to a large degree). in fact hard armor is essentially a shield that you wear so you don't have to hold it, hence why people in full plate often forwent shields and those with less armor tended to use them.KhergitLancer80 said:Your comparison is dumb sorry.
so maybe it isn't quite as dumb as you think.
Kretti said:Depends on what time-period and area we're discussing, but late medieval plate armor probably allowed sufficient protection from arrows. Shields didn't stop arrows either, but using one is a lot different from strapping one on your back.
In the early medieval period (which Bannerlord is supposed to be inspired from) swords weren't that common to begin with when shield-usage was at its height. It's not so much about your equipment breaking (because anything's going to break eventually when we're talking about battlefield usage), shields were used because they were just better at protecting you, and wielding a 2-hander doesn't give enough of an advantage to make up for the disadvantages of not having a shield. Unless you're in the second or third rank with a spear or a long-axe, in which case you'd be relying on the shields of the first rank.
Lindybeige makes some good points about how you'd use a shield to protect yourself from arrows and blows.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNyvLz9w69s
notice the penetration on regular steel with the best tips possible. now add a gambeson underneath and notice that the penetration doesn't even penetrate the gambeson all the way (at least 1 inch of penetration). so even unhardened steel would be enough to protect the wearer.Kehlian said:jamoecw said:well shield adds its armor to your own when on back in game. in real life hard armor stops arrows (even soft to a large degree). in fact hard armor is essentially a shield that you wear so you don't have to hold it, hence why people in full plate often forwent shields and those with less armor tended to use them.KhergitLancer80 said:Your comparison is dumb sorry.
so maybe it isn't quite as dumb as you think.
I think I saw a video of a dude testing arrows on breastplates. The arrow went through it, unless it was hardened/tempered steel (not sure of the english word, but it's when steel has been put into water to be better).
When hardened (I'll use that word), the breastplate just deviated the arrow trajectory, making only a small dent on it. When not tempered, the arrow went through steel, and in the manequin.
Hardened steel wasn't so common, because it had to be expansive, so I guess only nobles and rich people could afford it.
I don't know when steel started to be hardened , but I'm sure chainmails and scale armor didn't stop arrows. They prevented death some times, and allowed smaller wounds, but you still had a wound. Shield did stop them, though. I believe those armor were made to prevent slashing of swords and axes, but weren't particularly effective against piercing spears and arrows.
I'm no expert, I just looked for informations that might be wrong, though :/
Regular steel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCE40J93m5c
Tempered steel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej3qjUzUzQg
I think the only thing preventing arrows from killing, is the magical properties of MMORPG's girl's naked armors
KhergitLancer80 said:Wasnt plate armor a thing of 15th century ?
a style of plate armor referred to as full plate was a 15th century thing, but interlocking plates were what the lorica segmentata essentially was, and that was well before the 15th century. form fitting metal plate with padding underneath was used well before that as well, and non form fitting plate that was strapped to you with padding underneath was far before that. only a handful of cultures used wood strapped to you with padding underneath during a time when metal arrowheads were used, and such was discarded once they got enough metal to use metal instead of wood.KhergitLancer80 said:Wasnt plate armor a thing of 15th century ?
Kretti said:Depends on what time-period and area we're discussing, but late medieval plate armor probably allowed sufficient protection from arrows.
jamoecw said:if your armor is worth anything it will stop the common projectile in the scenario you are expecting to find yourself in.
well if you have tried mount and blade you'd know that you can hit legs and head if you aim for them, minus of course shield skill. maybe you want an animation to demonstrate the quick movement to intercept incoming blows via shield skill?Mount_and_Ride ^_^ said:If hit boxes are bad, fix them. Just because you are holding a shield should not make it undefeatable. If I aim and my skill points and weapon points allow for it, I should be able to accurately hit your legs and your face, depending of course how big your shield is.
jamoecw said:well if you have tried mount and blade you'd know that you can hit legs and head if you aim for them, minus of course shield skill. maybe you want an animation to demonstrate the quick movement to intercept incoming blows via shield skill?Mount_and_Ride ^_^ said:If hit boxes are bad, fix them. Just because you are holding a shield should not make it undefeatable. If I aim and my skill points and weapon points allow for it, I should be able to accurately hit your legs and your face, depending of course how big your shield is.
i don't know what you mean by penetration, as nothing penetrates shields (minus the accepted clipping bug of fast projectiles at close range).