Scottish Independence

[Madhal]

This topic needs a poll. Hoping for a no.

 

[Wolfang]

So are there any preliminary results coming or what?

 

[Wellenbrecher]

It's only noon over there, dude.

 

[Wolfang]

Urgh, it's night here already!

 

[Flanged]

I'm hopin for a no, because 21st century Europe should be above 19th century romantic nationalism.

A large part of the No vote is motivated by 19th century romantic British nationalism.  The Better Together campaign has reflected this.  Other parts are motivated by 21st century British nationalism, which is not a very pretty sight either. 

Look at the groups who are supporting the No side, and you will find a far more unpleasant strand of nationalism among them than has ever existed in the Yes camp.

The National Front, BNP, Orange Order, Britannica (a BNP spin-off), Britain First, etc.  These are all unionist groups.  Always have been.

Anyway, off to vote.

 

[Eктωρ]

So it's really more about mythology than weight and effectiveness of one's vote.

Calling national identity "mythology" is frankly retarded.

 

[Leifr Eiríksson]

Results won't be revealed until tomorrow morning.
In the mean time, Scots may enjoy their last day of being sensible.

 

[AreJohn]

Time to pull together our resources to rebuild Hadrians wall.

 

[K-64]

A large part of the No vote is motivated by 19th century romantic British nationalism.  The Better Together campaign has reflected this.  Other parts are motivated by 21st century British nationalism, which is not a very pretty sight either. 

Look at the groups who are supporting the No side, and you will find a far more unpleasant strand of nationalism among them than has ever existed in the Yes camp.

The National Front, BNP, Orange Order, Britannica (a BNP spin-off), Britain First, etc.  These are all unionist groups.  Always have been.

Anyway, off to vote.

On the same note however, a large part of the Yes vote is motivated by Xth century Scottish nationalism. A very distinct vibe from it is "Independent Scotland, **** yeah and **** the English" which is a very worrisome thing. Economic independence aside, the attitude given there is not a good one to have with your potential new foreign nationals sitting right over the border.

It probably doesn't help endear me to the yes vote that Salmond is the kind of person I'd expect to be selling used cars rather than political campaigns, but that's just me.

 

[AreJohn]

Salmond more reminds me of a Bond villan than a faulty car salesman. 

 

[Swissky]

If Scotland decides to become a welfare state they can join us in the Börk Council.

 

[Leifr Eiríksson]

They already are ya Swedish dickhead.

 

[Swissky]

That insult isn't gender neutral enough.

 

[Leifr Eiríksson]

 

[Vieira151]

So it's really more about mythology than weight and effectiveness of one's vote.

Mythology?

The only reason Scotland is getting a chance to become independent is because of Mythology. It's obviously going to be a factor.

 

[DrBlacksmith]

I'm hoping for a yes vote.

I would as well... except for the fact that the people are in the entirely wrong mindset, and they're already being damaging and trying to bully people into also voting yes. While there is a lot of scaremongering coming from the no side of the fence, the yes side is actually cutting people's phone lines and setting farmers' cattle on the road, simply because they put no signs up in their fields.

While I support an independent Scotland, the fact that people are taking the wrong attitude about it, and largely wanting it out of anti-English and/or anti-Torie spite means I think it would end up horribly.

I live in a Labor Stronghold. Anyone with a Yes Badge gets a beat in, or gets mugged. It's not just the Yes Voters attacking the No Voters. Everyone is pissing each other off.

 

[ancalimon]

I see no difference between the Scottish and the English. I don't think their independence would serve any meaningful purpose.

 

[Lord Brutus]

Ancalimon weighs in with a thoroughly meaningful post.    I see no difference between you and the average Greek.

 

[DrBlacksmith]

I see no difference between the Scottish and the English. I don't think their independence would serve any meaningful purpose.

The English piss of the Scots, as much as the Scots piss of the English. We aren't meant to be together, we are meant to piss each other off. We have been doing so for centuries. The Scottish and English have massive differences. Each nation are probably going to say different, differences, in favor of their nations.

 

[Leifr Eiríksson]

We're always meant to be together.
It's just a simple case of Master and Slave.