I noticed that in comander battles I have problems with the direction in which my line is facing. So I think a line rotation order would be very useful. Left and right rotation order. Thats it.
Line rotation order
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b00227783
Sergeant Knight at Arms
Maboobs said:
Good points there.
Unless bot AI is recoded at a very fundamental level, this isn't likely to be possible. Bots always face their nearest threat/mass of the enemy...it simply isn't possible to have them face other directions without repeatedly knocking them out of an alarmed/battle-ready state. Likely the same reason you don't see any orders for bots to form battle squares and the like. It would take reworking the engine's handling of bots, targeting, etc that could have unforeseen consequences--like ranged units facing away from the enemy--or very hacky modder-level attempted workarounds that probably wouldn't have particularly good results.
Caba`drin said:
Sadly being a moder my self for M&B I noticed the bots inteligence to be very very low and I know what are you talking about. Its something that can't be changed in this M&B engine. Maybe in some future M&B 2.
Hadji Murat
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That's a shame, it would be great if they could face the same direction as you face when you tell them to stand stillComrade Temuzu said:
To be honest what annoys me more is people who spread out their lines. I mean I know it makes sense in terms of ultra competitive metagame, but it looks crap and spoils the whole theme and alot of my fun. Anyone who does this and reads this post PLEASE STOP. The games more fun without it!
Wasn't there an earlier version of warband or vanilla M&B where they would line up and face whatever direction you're facing when you issue the Hold Position order? I'm almost sure of it...
Saboteur100
Knight at Arms
I realize many have said this isn't possible, but it's almost absolutely NECESSARY for Commander battles. I'd love to see if Vince or another dev could find a way to do it.
The line might have been slanted the direction you were facing (this was a bug), but the bots themselves were always looking toward their nearest threat/mass of the enemy, so even if the line was likewickerman_156 said:
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Leberecht Reinhold
Master Knight
IIRC, the only change of the bot look position is that the used to look to the nearest enemy, now they do to the nearest visible enemy.
Saboteur100
Knight at Arms
Caba`drin said:
Not necessarily true, actually. Bots would aim the nearest VISIBLE enemy, therefore, changing the direction the line is facing could be very useful indeed depending on your regiment's position terrain-wise.
WilsonMG
Knight
Caba`drin said:
It's fine if they look/aim at whatever they care to so long as your line could turn to face the direction you intend. Currently, they may all be facing along their own line, but the line is facing 90 degrees the wrong way so their muskets are all aimed to the side. This just requires coding them to reform facing another way, not what target to aim at. That, you're saying, is a feat not possible in this engine?
SirNitram
Squire
Well, if we can't have line rotation, how about the ability to choose which regiment your men fire on?
Won't make them turn that direction, I know, but I would definitely love the ability to tell my fellow captains in teamspeak:
"Focus fire on the Grenzers on the right" and then volley the hell out of them.
Is something like this possible?
(If I am not mistaken, Floris Mod Pack has an order doing this, doesn't it Caba?)
Won't make them turn that direction, I know, but I would definitely love the ability to tell my fellow captains in teamspeak:
"Focus fire on the Grenzers on the right" and then volley the hell out of them.
Is something like this possible?
(If I am not mistaken, Floris Mod Pack has an order doing this, doesn't it Caba?)
WilsonMG
Knight
SirNitram said:
It might be possible to tell your troops to fire at "light infantry", "cavalry", etc. since the engine knows the difference between different units based on their class, but I don't think it would even be remotely possible to have them fire at units under spyglasses as had been previously mentioned, or to specifically target one unit based on sight alone.
You'd be required to manually visually ID the unit type yourself, give the command to attack that type, and then hope there wasn't more than one of that type in view. That would probably be the best we could hope for in this engine.
Choosing who the bulk of your troops fire at can be easily controlled by clever use of terrain and, spacing, and number of ranks, but what we can't do is turn said line in any direction other than where the majority of the enemy is. That's a little more frustrating to me.
Floris (via PBOD via moto's formations) has this for melee, yes--though it is just a fancy way of having the game order a division to move to the same location as a specified enemy division. There's nothing changing what the bots are aiming at (there are no modder-level operations to tell individual bots who or what to target)....just forcing the player-targeted division to be their closest enemies so they fight them. You can see why this wouldn't (and doesn't) work for ranged troops.SirNitram said:
What is possible without changing the fundamental targeting code is creating an order that makes a line of troops move fromWilsonMG said:
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XThere's a chance that positioning them like this might adjust their targeting decision-making enough to have them aim the 'appropriate' direction...but no guarantees...and no modder-level commands to force it to happen.
Which is why I say that actively turning them to they face/aim elsewhere would need changes to the engine handling of targeting.
