Not a hipster then.
Not a hipster then.
I only play 8-bit indie games developed in eco-neutral basements by avacoda-juiced up manbuns.Not a hipster then.
+1TW still want to get money from consoles, and having a forum with tons of complains every day won’t be a good thing for them. While not all people visit forums, I am pretty sure that Armagan is not comfortable with his forum getting tons of complains every day. I know that every videogame’s forum is full of complains but I have never seen something like this where 9 of 10 posts are about disappointed people complaining.
Concerning this game, I have mixed feelings... This is the game I have invested more hours on it in my life (1300 hours or so), and I am not going to say that this is a bad game. What really annoys me is that this game could be easily x3 better if TW would hear its community a bit more.
I think the whole community does agree with:
- Diplomacy is currently nonexistent. People want a deeper diplomacy system.
- Armor effectiveness should be increased.
- Late game is boring as hell. There is not much to do aside endless wars and fighting loop.
- The game is not immersive at all.
- People miss some Warband/VC features which look not really hard to add to Bannerlord, but TW refuses to add them.
- High tier equipment is insanely overpriced.
- High tier units do not feel much better than low tier units.
- AI is mediocre at best. Especially sieges and cavalry AI.
- Battles last for seconds and there is not enough time to use any decent strategy.
I encourage the people to continue complaining until TW change their minds and start working on making this game great. I really do not care if I have to pay more money on DLCs, expansiones, etc, I just want to see TW investing more effort on this game which will give them much more profit than any silly space game.
I feel your pain, friend. I created this account just to try to help and in this topic I received some answers...Guys, this thread highlights the question: what CAN we (the community) do then?
So far I have:
1) Tried to press Mexxico (when he was around) for answers as well as positive commitment to make real changes
2) Re-written my review on Steam, changing it from positive to negative
2) Stopped playing the game until there is a real substantive update with new content
3) Tried to suggest that a collective voice almost certainly does much more than just individual complaining
The other things we can do seem to be really limited:
> Never ever buy another TW game
> Stop recommending the game to others
> Give up on this game in general for at least the next year ... and just wait for the mods
My whole thrust or point with this thread was to say " Come on guys, there must be something more we can do?"
Your thoughts?
There is a special place in hell for Steam reviewers who give a thumbs up based on the game's "potential" or say things like "Well there are serious problems with the latest release and it's nearly unplayable, but the devs deserve to be praised for making such a great effort!"Negative reviews on steam won’t change much to be honest, mostly because there are tons of new players giving a positive review after 10 hours or less.
I was thinking about writing a negative review on steam but with 1300 hours invested in the game, it could look unfair from my side. Even when most part of these 1300 hours have been invested in testing stuff (running tons of snowballing tests in the midnight while sleeping).
Anyway, if we actually want to get the Armagan’s attention, stopping to play the game would hurt a lot. Bannerlord is going down in the top 100 steam rank. I am not sure about you but I rarely buy a game which is not present in the top 100 steam rank, even if it has good reviews.
Guys, this thread highlights the question: what CAN we (the community) do then?
So far I have:
1) Tried to press Mexxico (when he was around) for answers as well as positive commitment to make real changes
2) Re-written my review on Steam, changing it from positive to negative
2) Stopped playing the game until there is a real substantive update with new content
3) Tried to suggest that a collective voice almost certainly does much more than just individual complaining
The other things we can do seem to be really limited:
> Never ever buy another TW game
> Stop recommending the game to others
> Give up on this game in general for at least the next year ... and just wait for the mods
My whole thrust or point with this thread was to say " Come on guys, there must be something more we can do?"
Your thoughts?
Guys, this thread highlights the question: what CAN we (the community) do then?
So far I have:
1) Tried to press Mexxico (when he was around) for answers as well as positive commitment to make real changes
2) Re-written my review on Steam, changing it from positive to negative
2) Stopped playing the game until there is a real substantive update with new content
3) Tried to suggest that a collective voice almost certainly does much more than just individual complaining
The other things we can do seem to be really limited:
> Never ever buy another TW game
> Stop recommending the game to others
> Give up on this game in general for at least the next year ... and just wait for the mods
My whole thrust or point with this thread was to say " Come on guys, there must be something more we can do?"
Your thoughts?
LOL we could do a GoFundMe or Kickstarter to raise money for "Making Bannerlord not suck".Create our own Bannerlord, with blackjack and hookers.
Or: Bannerlord Online - I dont know anything about it other then its a mod, but if people play on Bannerlord Online, do they show up in Bannerlords Player/Multiplayer stats? Since it also has its own launcher? A lot of question marks from my end?
If we advocate its "legal/illegal/grey" competetion and in doing so tank playerstats they might be tempted to take a look at the plebs and why they're diverting to these type of mods.
This is something I did. I was on a break on forums and the game. When I returned, all I saw was a shallow game. All of that devblogs was in vain, an unfulfilled promise.2) Re-written my review on Steam, changing it from positive to negative
That's just the start. In order to truly make BL great again, we need to invade Ankara + reclaim Constantinople and the ERE + usurp the Pope to restore the Pentarchy.This is something I did. I was on a break on forums and the game. When I returned, all I saw was a shallow game. All of that devblogs was in vain, an unfulfilled promise.
What we can do? I don't know. Go to Ankara, enter Metu campus and raid TW building, steal all of the game code and give it to modding community, maybe?
When multiplayer beta announced and veteran MP community played the game, almost all of them started to complain about the game constructively or destuructively. From what I(I am not active on MP forums) see from time to time when they post on this side of the forum, it seems nothing have changed. This is somewhat similar to SP as well.
When I started to read older threads which are posted while I was absent, all I fell is dissapointment. If this kind of attitude from TW did not change for almost two years despite all of high quality posts from veteran players, I don't know what can we do more to change that.
TW still want to get money from consoles, and having a forum with tons of complains every day won’t be a good thing for them. While not all people visit forums, I am pretty sure that Armagan is not comfortable with his forum getting tons of complains every day. I know that every videogame’s forum is full of complains but I have never seen something like this where 9 of 10 posts are about disappointed people complaining.
Concerning this game, I have mixed feelings... This is the game I have invested more hours on it in my life (1300 hours or so), and I am not going to say that this is a bad game. What really annoys me is that this game could be easily x3 better if TW would hear its community a bit more.
I think the whole community does agree with:
- Diplomacy is currently nonexistent. People want a deeper diplomacy system.
- Armor effectiveness should be increased.
- Late game is boring as hell. There is not much to do aside endless wars and fighting loop.
- The game is not immersive at all.
- People miss some Warband/VC features which look not really hard to add to Bannerlord, but TW refuses to add them.
- High tier equipment is insanely overpriced.
- High tier units do not feel much better than low tier units.
- AI is mediocre at best. Especially sieges and cavalry AI.
- Battles last for seconds and there is not enough time to use any decent strategy.
I encourage the people to continue complaining until TW change their minds and start working on making this game great. I really do not care if I have to pay more money on DLCs, expansiones, etc, I just want to see TW investing more effort on this game which will give them much more profit than any silly space game.
Dear Taleworlds,In my opinion it's better for players to keep focusing on improving what's in the game and being changed with updates with acute feedback on issues and reporting bugs.
However I would agree and sign a polite, constructive letter like this. It needs to be concise descriptions of problems though, not just "it's boring" or "siege lol".
LOL I wouldn't dream of taking credit for a letter; not with my established history of flame-adjacent negativity here. But I'd happily help a more reasonable person post a more reasonable letter than I would put forward myself.I think that an open letter with specific issues listed and formatted in a logical and concise way would work. The problem is that those most in favor are going to be sarcastic and unpleasant, and already had voiced harsh criticism in their rant threads. It's not someone I would listen to, if I'm a TW guy secretly following the forums, because if my answer is not what they want to hear they would use it to start more rant threads.
So we need a calm and knowledgeable person to pen the letter. Who is this person? @five bucks did it once, and could do it again.
I dig that but honestly I have few problems with what's been introduced in the game (except for new stuttering/CTD issues and gratuitous nerfs to caravans/workshops etc). Most of the problem is with what hasn't been and apparently won't be implemented, namely RPG features and "unbalanced"-but-realistic fixes to things like sieges + spear combat.In my opinion it's better for players to keep focusing on improving what's in the game and being changed with updates with acute feedback on issues and reporting bugs.
However I would agree and sign a polite, constructive letter like this. It needs to be concise descriptions of problems though, not just "it's boring" or "siege lol".
Sometimes you just have to ask nicely. You don't need to stay for breakfast though.Not to be a party pooper, but is there really a point to this?
They seem to be well aware of what we want changed/added/fixed... making a letter probably won’t change a thing...
Except for a love letter maybe, who knows.
Unfortunately, this is true. The only thing that may ever "shake their asses" is the drop in sales...There are forum members who have been providing feedback for years in a quite polite manner.
We also have dozens of well-structured posts with the changes that most of us want, groupings of suggestions of incredible quality and depth ...
What Taleworlds wants to change they will, and what they don't, they won't. At this point I don't think we can do anything more than warn about bugs and try to get them to accept minor suggestions while they finish their own roadmap
Fair, it doesn’t hurt to try anyway.Sometimes you just have to ask nicely. You don't need to stay for breakfast though.