Dev Blog 18/01/18

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Mount & Blade is RPG, strategy, epic battles... and it's also a unique world which acts as the perfect framework for your own adventures and heroic deeds. Calradia, the continent where Mount & Blade takes place, is a low-fantasy setting deeply rooted in history: its past and factions are inspired by real kingdoms and conflicts of old, but it also adds its own doses of imagination. It's a delicate balance: you have to combine creativity and imagination with thorough research and interpretation of historical sources. The result, however, is worth all the efforts: Calradia may be a fictional place, but it feels as alive and real as our world. It takes a lot of talent and hard work to create such a place, and today we want to introduce you to a member of our team who plays an essential role in its creation: our writer and designer Steve Negus.


Read more at: http://www.taleworlds.com/en/Games/Bannerlord/Blog/42
 

Dest45

Knight at Arms
WBVCNW
Dahvos said:
Man I miss Tides of Conquest; Sicily .. one of my most favorite mods for mount and blade by Nijis aka Steve Negus.
holy **** that mod looks amazing. Can see why he was hired. Can see a lot of new additions to Bannerlord take inspiration from his mod.
 

White Lion

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Szentgyörgyi said:
low-fantasy setting

I would debate Mount&Blade franchise being low-fantasy. Fictional yes, but in no case low-fantasy, as that would require having supernatural elements, which I'm pretty confident have no presence whatsoever in M&B. And that is for the better, in my book anyway, that for me was the biggest selling point back when I was introduced to this game, pure medieval warfare with no spells attached. It filled a niche that was so overlooked back in the day, ultimately becoming the pioneer of a new genre.

Anyone's welcome to debate my argument. Though I remember reading about the alpha versions of the original M&B having some kind of supernatural elements, someone can probably correct me on that, it doesn't really count any more. Also you could attribute Harlaus' obsession with butter to some supernatural force, but that is just speculation  :lol:

Regarding critique of why you guys are writing about 'stuff we already know', people don't realize these developer blog entries aren't exclusively meant for the existing fan base. These posts get shared on other websites, and they're a good source of information for people unfamiliar with the franchise. They also give insight on inner workings of the development team, which I doubt most of us were familiar with before these blog posts. I think it's good PR work, I enjoy them a lot, please keep them coming.

+1
 

White Lion

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Ki-Ok Khan said:
Narlan said:
I hope that they make those birds use able during battles.
Yea... like in ancient warfare. We all remember the Battle of Hastings, were falcons won the battle by droping little rocks on the saxon. I hope they also let us use trebuchets in battle, because it is a credible warefare strategy, just like using falcon. Did you look at the carpet in that screen with the falcon ? I hope that they make those furnitures use able during battle, always dreamed of using them as nets to trap the ennemy troops while the hawks peck their buttocks.

Always bet on warbird !
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I know right?
Amazing how nature do that.

Steppe people are known for training eagles and hunting with them. To me it makes sense that they use those during battles.
Something like in this movie . From 0:00 to 0:25.

That scene its pretty cringey to be honest and I don't thing they used eagles in battle. Hunting and sending messeges yes, but in battle I don't think so.
 
White Lion said:
Ki-Ok Khan said:
Narlan said:
I hope that they make those birds use able during battles.
Yea... like in ancient warfare. We all remember the Battle of Hastings, were falcons won the battle by droping little rocks on the saxon. I hope they also let us use trebuchets in battle, because it is a credible warefare strategy, just like using falcon. Did you look at the carpet in that screen with the falcon ? I hope that they make those furnitures use able during battle, always dreamed of using them as nets to trap the ennemy troops while the hawks peck their buttocks.

Always bet on warbird !
1465912427601
I know right?
Amazing how nature do that.

Steppe people are known for training eagles and hunting with them. To me it makes sense that they use those during battles.
Something like in this movie . From 0:00 to 0:25.

That scene its pretty cringey to be honest and I don't thing they used eagles in battle. Hunting and sending messeges yes, but in battle I don't think so.

Yeah I've seen that film and it has to be the most embarassing thing I've seen.
Mount & Blade may be fantasy, but it has always been about emulating a realistic world. Birds of Prey were used for hunting, do you genuinely think a human wouldn't be able to grapple a hawk or eagle?
 

Ki-Ok Khan

White Lion said:
That scene its pretty cringey to be honest and I don't thing they used eagles in battle. Hunting and sending messeges yes, but in battle I don't think so.
Scene being bad has nothing to do with what I am saying.
 

SenorZorros

Squire
Before anyone ever suggests to use animals in battle without people riding them they should read up on the story of the soviet anti-tank dogs and then not suggest it.
 
SenorZorros said:
Before anyone ever suggests to use animals in battle without people riding them they should read up on the story of the soviet anti-tank dogs and then not suggest it.

Well, as long as they're not elephants and there are no explosives strapped onto them there shouldn't be a problem with them running back sometimes.

But really, wardogs would be awesome against light infantry/cavalry and enhance that feel of chaos.
 

BlamBlam

Regular
SenorZorros said:
Before anyone ever suggests to use animals in battle without people riding them they should read up on the story of the soviet anti-tank dogs and then not suggest it.

Yeah, that's truth. There were multiple examples of such "ideas" during WW2 and Cold War period. Mentioned AT dogs trained to crawl  under tanks with trigger antenas to start the explosions, Bats with flammable materials attached- used on similiar principle, pigeon steered missiles and transmiting equipment stuffed cybo/spy/cats that CIA intended to use and tested in the sixtesies.

Most of them being a failure or disaster even. The mentiond dogs were i.e. used to crawl under Soviet tanks and were scarred of different smelling German tanks- alsso they were either killed or tricked with food and disarmed:wink:

However there were examples of success with such aproach to warfare, set more closely to Bannerlord's timeframe - with Gengis Khan as a pioneer. During the siege of the Volohai city- the unfamiliar at the time with siege engeneering Mongols used a trick and asked for a tribute of 1000 cats and 10 000 swallows. Then they attached wool to the poor animals, set it on fire and let them out. Panicked cats and swallows returned to their lairs and nests whith the obvious effect of setting the city on fire.

Such trick would fit the Bannerlord lore- but more as the tale in Khuzait camps- as in the  game mechanics it would be both hard to implement and explain the logics (as of course news spread fast and supposedly no more towns would fall for Gengis Kha....ehm Urkhun the Khuzait's bait.

Following the game mechanics maybe wardogs as a troop type (there was one Wardog in Vicking Conquest i recon ; ) or the famous Calradian..eehm..Imperial burnig Pigs- but only if there are Elephants in Bannerlord's bestiary- to spread the panic amongst :wink:

Now back to te thread... :facepalm:
 

Kretti

Squire
Ki-Ok Khan said:
White Lion said:
That scene its pretty cringey to be honest and I don't thing they used eagles in battle. Hunting and sending messeges yes, but in battle I don't think so.
Scene being bad has nothing to do with what I am saying.
It does. You said you were thinking something like it, and even if we're only watching the part with the birds, how would you go about training hawks and eagles to do that in a manner that's even remotely practical? There's nothing in natural bird of prey behaviour that would compel them to attack a group of humans in force, and the amount of work required to train them to do that is so ludicrous that it's almost impossible. Almost, because I know it can be done in theory, but not in any way that would be practical for warfare. Or any other situation for that matter. If it was a fantasy world with magic, then it could be explained away, but semi-realistic Calradia, nah.
 

Ki-Ok Khan

Kretti said:
Ki-Ok Khan said:
White Lion said:
That scene its pretty cringey to be honest and I don't thing they used eagles in battle. Hunting and sending messeges yes, but in battle I don't think so.
Scene being bad has nothing to do with what I am saying.
It does. You said you were thinking something like it, and even if we're only watching the part with the birds, how would you go about training hawks and eagles to do that in a manner that's even remotely practical? There's nothing in natural bird of prey behaviour that would compel them to attack a group of humans in force, and the amount of work required to train them to do that is so ludicrous that it's almost impossible. Almost, because I know it can be done in theory, but not in any way that would be practical for warfare. Or any other situation for that matter. If it was a fantasy world with magic, then it could be explained away, but semi-realistic Calradia, nah.
You are a bird expert now, I see. Ofc men will fight back. Ofc animals will die. Ofc its not practical. No one is saying they should wait put and let birds attack them.I was implying that birds are being sent by humans before they strike. And again scene being bad does not have anything to do with it. I was just expecting people to use their imagination of how it could be implemented to the game. I am sorry to expect such thing. Next time I will try to explain with more details.
 

Kretti

Squire
You are a bird expert now, I see

Not birds specifically, but animal behaviour is a huge part of my work in general. So not really a great time to be sarcastic.

Anyway, I don't see why you're being so defensive about it, scene or no, it's just not a good suggestion because the idea of having flocks of birds (that are solitary hunters anyway) attacking a mass of troops isn't sensible at all. Hunting's different because the birds have natural behaviours that can be used to condition them for certain actions, and nature takes care of the rest. It'd be a crazy endeavor to pull off something of that scale even with modern knowledge of animal behaviour and learning.

In short, animals don't work like that.
 
I see no real reason why you'd want to have your falcon/hawk in battle. It sounds like the archetypal niche, out-of-the-place feature that will only lengthen development. Don't we want to avoid featurecreep?  :smile:

Anyway. What a well-spoken young man! Passion oozes from this blog post. Nice to hear someone like that is writing the dialogue! I can only hope and pray for more memorable quotes to meme. :p
 
Mithril♡Souls said:
I see no real reason why you'd want to have your falcon/hawk in battle. It sounds like the archetypal niche, out-of-the-place feature that will only lengthen development. Don't we want to avoid featurecreep?  :smile:

Anyway. What a well-spoken young man! Passion oozes from this blog post. Nice to hear someone like that is writing the dialogue! I can only hope and pray for more memorable quotes to meme. :p

Agreed, no to the birds.
 

Ki-Ok Khan

Kretti said:
You are a bird expert now, I see

Not birds specifically, but animal behaviour is a huge part of my work in general. So not really a great time to be sarcastic.

Anyway, I don't see why you're being so defensive about it, scene or no, it's just not a good suggestion because the idea of having flocks of birds (that are solitary hunters anyway) attacking a mass of troops isn't sensible at all. Hunting's different because the birds have natural behaviours that can be used to condition them for certain actions, and nature takes care of the rest. It'd be a crazy endeavor to pull off something of that scale even with modern knowledge of animal behaviour and learning.

In short, animals don't work like that.
Next time when I go to Kazakhstan again I shall ask my friend why his hawk was trying to protect him when I get close to him or his kid. Or my other friends' dog. Well I guess protective instincts are different . Also believe it or not people actually use animals to attack people. Be it hawks or dogs. Just saying.


It was just my hopes. I am not saying they should. I would like to see it happen. Maybe not you. That's just my wish or you could call an opinion These kiddos don't need to go ape **** about it. "HEHEHE look cringey" I guess that's the Internet for you.

Also here is why I was being defensive ; People said "omg look that scene is so cringey. Therefore I thing its bad."
In reply I said that "scene being bad has nothing to do with what I am saying". It is the directors' fault. They could pull a more realistic scene.
Then you jumped in to say "it does"
 
AmateurHetman said:
Mithril♡Souls said:
I see no real reason why you'd want to have your falcon/hawk in battle. It sounds like the archetypal niche, out-of-the-place feature that will only lengthen development. Don't we want to avoid featurecreep?  :smile:

Anyway. What a well-spoken young man! Passion oozes from this blog post. Nice to hear someone like that is writing the dialogue! I can only hope and pray for more memorable quotes to meme. :p

Agreed, no to the birds.

I still want birds (not fighting ones) flying over the battlefield as per Mark7’s CWE Warband mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oerI0RvOt3s
 
NPC99 said:
AmateurHetman said:
Mithril♡Souls said:
I see no real reason why you'd want to have your falcon/hawk in battle. It sounds like the archetypal niche, out-of-the-place feature that will only lengthen development. Don't we want to avoid featurecreep?  :smile:

Anyway. What a well-spoken young man! Passion oozes from this blog post. Nice to hear someone like that is writing the dialogue! I can only hope and pray for more memorable quotes to meme. :p

Agreed, no to the birds.

I still want birds (not fighting ones) flying over the battlefield as per Mark7’s CWE Warband mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oerI0RvOt3s

That’s fine. I would love the ability to hunt with hawks, but not in battle. It’s more of a feature to be modded in either way.
 

Kretti

Squire
Ki-Ok Khan said:
Next time when I go to Kazakhstan again I shall ask my friend why his hawk was trying to protect him when I get close to him or his kid. Or my other friends' dog. Well I guess protective instincts are different . Also believe it or not people actually use animals to attack people. Be it hawks or dogs. Just saying.


It was just my hopes. I am not saying they should. I would like to see it happen. Maybe not you. That's just my wish or you could call an opinion These kiddos don't need to go ape **** about it. "HEHEHE look cringey" I guess that's the Internet for you.

Also here is why I was being defensive ; People said "omg look that scene is so cringey. Therefore I thing its bad."
In reply I said that "scene being bad has nothing to do with what I am saying". It is the directors' fault. They could pull a more realistic scene.
Then you jumped in to say "it does"

Yes, protective/territorial behaviour is a bit different and occurs in situations like that, but a battlefield might be a bit too terrifying for a wild (as in, not domesticated, even if it's hand-raised) animal to do anything but flee, and it'd have to be trained specifically for battlefield conditions - meaning you'd have to organize a force every time you'd want to train the bird a bit further. Fight or flight is a bit of a different case (with stampeding war-elephants for example), but it can't be trained, and I won't derail the topic further by delving deeper into it. Training an animal to attack a person/animal is different because a single human, dog, or whatever is a more natural target for the bird. Some dog breeds might be able to pull it off to some effect, but birds would be much harder to get to do it consistently.

The reason I said it does matter was because you originally said you thought "something like this" and linked the scene, so obviously I'm going to assume you mean it like it is in the scene. But whatever, doesn't really matter.
 

Narlan

Sergeant
NWWBVC
It was just my hopes.
Yea, because you saw a bird on a screenshot... do you see where the salt is coming from ? My initial reaction was as much about the bird realism than about the expeditive expectation you built arround of a cosmetic part.

Don't build expectation, Bannerlord could be crap after all. You know what should be more usefull than talking about what we want in Bannerlord ? Let's talk about what we don't want in Bannerlord :iamamoron: .
 
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