Debating implementation of a Reaction/Like system

[Aeronwen]

This is a poor argument that keeps being repeated. I don't need to explain why I like something or agree with something, because my response could be so unsubstantial ("+1") that it borders on spam and clogs the forum.
Also, I'm sorry but you are very biased and can't post a balanced opinion that has universal validity. Your years of being exposed to MP trolls have left you scarred and disillusioned, distrusting that there is inherent goodness in a person. It's like asking a cop what he thinks of people in general and since he saw the worst the humanity has to offer, his views are negative and cynical. Please take time to recover before making broad judgements about what people are like. Good luck!

haha busted!

though tbh I moderate the Steam forum and many of the SP players there don't seem so very kind and considerate.

 

[Oakenlix]

It depends what you think forums are for really.

|f you want every person that wants to to be able to come to the forum and express their opinion (in a polite and constructive manner) then you need to make the environment a inviting one for everyone.
If you only care about the teenage 'edgelords' being able to spout off and don't mind that it effectively excludes many other people then maintaining an inviting environment won't be important to you.

TW, presumably, at least want their forum to not actively dissuade people from buying the game (though before 2014 it didn't seem like it).

I think talking about extreme examples isn't useful here.
Look, everyone here isn't always polite and constructive as it is, far from it.
Similarly, a like system wouldn't suddenly make everything into a cesspool of toxicity and hatred.

I'd guess we're taking about a slight change, if any, expressed by some people being more emotional to "farm likes". It's not gonna be much, and certainly I don't think it would turn people off from buying the game...

I don't think like systems improve readability. All it does is make it way more obvious when some opinion in a post is almost universally considered to be stupid (and if you can't determine this by reading then you are the stupid), and turn every discussion into a numbers game rather than a fair and rational debate a battle of humiliation and domination like they should be.

It also helps to quickly determine which posts are probably the most useful. Notice I don't even advocate for dislikes, just for an option to silently express support to someone's opinion.

 

[eddiemccandless]

This is a poor argument that keeps being repeated. I don't need to explain why I like something or agree with something, because my response could be so unsubstantial ("+1") that it borders on spam and clogs the forum.

But posting such an unsubstantial response still takes a lot more effort than clicking or tapping a like. The outcome of this is that people will only do it if they feel relatively strongly about it. They will take just a little more time to think before making that post than they would to click on that like. That by itself is a benefit imo.

@Oakenlix I love how you completely ignored my last post on your argument for popular = useful . I don't think it helps your case if you just keep repeating the same thing over and over ignoring what others have to say.

 

[Mad Vader]

But posting such an unsubstantial response still takes a lot more effort than clicking or tapping a like. The outcome of this is that people will only do it if they feel relatively strongly about it. They will take just a little more time to think before making that post than they would to click on that like. That by itself is a benefit imo.

Why do I need to be forced into making an effort to post? Is it some kind of test of serious intent? I don't need to feel strongly about something that I like or approve, for it to count somehow.

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I don't feel strongly about any of this, I'm just messing with people and enjoying the debate.

 

[eddiemccandless]

Why do I need to be forced into making an effort to post? Is it some kind of test of serious intent? I don't need to feel strongly about something that I like or approve, for it to count somehow.

Spoiler

I don't feel strongly about any of this, I'm just messing with people and enjoying the debate.

Because everything takes effort in life, you entitled millennial!1!

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I know

 

[Oakenlix]

@Oakenlix I love how you completely ignored my last post on your argument for popular = useful . I don't think it helps your case if you just keep repeating the same thing over and over ignoring what others have to say.

Sorry!

I could of course just turn your own argument around and say that not having likes on this forum seems to be the popular opinion, therefore it's the way to go .

I didn't read this whole thread to be able to tell which side is more popular. How did you determine that? I'd guess we would need a poll at least, to know for sure.

 

[Aeronwen]

I think talking about extreme examples isn't useful here.
Look, everyone here isn't always polite and constructive as it is, far from it.
Similarly, a like system wouldn't suddenly make everything into a cesspool of toxicity and hatred.

Ye - also taking people's posts out of context and not reading the post they are replying to - isn't useful here.

 

[Oakenlix]

Ye - also taking people's posts out of context and not reading the post they are replying to - isn't useful here.

Uhh... I'm gonna need your help understanding your point then.
It was my post you were replying to, so not only I have read it - I wrote it myself. And what I was saying there is that even if a "like" system would increase toxicity, people can probably deal with that.
To which you pointed out, as I understand, that it all depends on what one would want the forums to be like, either a welcoming and inviting place for civil discussions or an edgelord cesspool.

So what I'm saying, is that the forums are neither of those two now and it won't become either if the like system were implemented. The toxicity might increase slightly, but also the people's desire to post more useful opinions. In any case, I just don't think the potential drawbacks outweigh the benefits, that's all.

 

[eddiemccandless]

In any case, I just don't think the potential drawbacks outweigh the benefits, that's all.

And you are welcome to think that, that's your prerogative. You are also welcome to start a poll on it, although I would maybe check with a mod first given that they have already locked one of your threads.

It seems to me that the admins of this forum are very much against it anyway, so how about we stop beating this dead horse?

 

[Lord Brutus]

This horse was dead before it ever left the stable.

 

[Oakenlix]

so how about we stop beating this dead horse?

Different people are into different stuff

This horse was dead before it ever left the stable.

I don't think it's dead actually, it's just a poorly fed sumpter horse atm.

 

[Lord Brutus]

Euthanasia would be best.