Council Chambers: Ideas & Suggestions

[ClockMinute]

You could add a system of shooting with animations and such like the mod, Iron Europe?

 

[PPQ_Purple]

Why not go totally the other way than and instead of Mexico have some sort of native american style faction? Possibly a native revolt sponsored by one of the foreign powers.

 

[Matiss_Veinbergs]

Sarranid horsemen have no horses.
Sarranids should use their own weaponry, than swadian.
All the factions should use their faction equpment and should be re-checked, in case you missed anything.
EDIT: What happened to the idea of trains?

 

[Anjin Miura]

I was wondering, have you guys considered increasing density of settlements on the map? After all it is seven centuries later after original Warband game, and I imagine there would be some new cities and towns all over the place, and forts, many forts on border areas.

Factions wise, since there are White Khergit forces on the map, maybe they could have a fort for themselves or something? Asugan would fit nicely as their last stronghold, isolated from the world.

Also, maybe slight changes to current location names to represent development of languages and names? I was playing other mod today set in 15th Century in Calradia and there were some fun, small changes in the names that legit made you think it's 1423, not 1223.

And also, if there are no bandits, maybe each area could get a new type of internal enemies? Groups opposite to the local country. In Swazia you could have commie revolutionaries, in Khergit/Vaegir - White Khergit/Vaegir, in Islamic Sarranidstan some traditional Bedouin-like desert people and anti-religious forces...

The possibilities are endless, that's why this mod really is so much fun and excitement and happy face to play! Potentially, maybe I could help with some easy tweaks, like ones doable via Morgh's Editor or some very simple coding (I was learning about it a bit once, adding parties or towns shouldn't be a problem), and some idea crafting, but nothing more than that really.

Okay, back to Sarranids!

 

[Matiss_Veinbergs]

And also, if there are no bandits, maybe each area could get a new type of internal enemies? Groups opposite to the local country. In Swazia you could have commie revolutionaries, in Khergit/Vaegir - White Khergit/Vaegir, in Islamic Sarranidstan some traditional Bedouin-like desert people and anti-religious forces...

Sarranids- jihadists
Vaegirs - whites
Khergits - whites.

Yeah... the list is quite empty, i have to agree

EDIT.
I browsed internet for how arabian firearms were, and i found some intresting guns. I suggest looking yourself, that would add more flavour to sarranids.

 

[Emperor of Calradia]

Dare to say that nothing new found in this mod.So suggestion will be to add era-friendly tournaments and quests.Bar brawls from WF&S and something else.
Buying any faction item in any country,is not cool either.
Item stats can be better too.Equal factions.Hunting rifle is better than many weapons,but it is starting weapon.Other weapons should be better or something,to compensate this.Armor stats should not make such difference in Red Wars,like in Native.I can even suggest a crazy idea to remove protection from them,so we can equip armors just for look.Its not medieval mod,so fur hat and gloves won`t protect you from bullets.
Better variety of items.Armors specifically.Combat armors are "outdated" choice and looks bad.I`m talking about Knight-alike black armor.Replacement for firefighters helmets  as mentioned by others too.
Better interface (textures).
No new factions (in future).I remember "laggs,if we can say so,with other mods.I think you should more concentrate on current factions.


In total would like to see better jokes,and more for non-Vaegir factions,since as far as i have have seen,Vaegirs are main object of jokes.Add comedian in recruitment page.Music is not well suited for gameplay.RA3 main theme is good only for menu.

I am also confused with things such as Whites.Wat? Manhunters replacement is not a good choice.Bad.What`s the point at all,its not realistic mod? The only logical choice for Whites,if we think about same Whites,is being sub faction.Make White claimant for the throne.Even better.Vaegirs should be White empire,and communist character should be claimant.Different flags and titles if possible.Since mod name is Red Wars,it is reasonable to add red revolution.


God bless Calradia,this mod have fast weapon reloads,unlike NW and most mods,so i don`t have to suggest reload speed.

 

[JoeySkylynx]

Hey guys, sorta new here but I figure this is where I should drop off some of my concepts!

Anarcho-[Ideology] Groups

At the current moment, the Red Wars has a very plain cut faction base... Communist, Fascist, Democracy, and the inbetween Monarchist/Looter factions. All though this is fine for the most part, I have been wondering why the mod team has been somewhat neglecting a huge segment of the Russian/German Revolution history which was when small villages, towns, and otherwise took up arms against all sides, and fought under the banner of ideologies such as Anarcho-Greenism, Anarco-Capitalism, Anarcho-Socialism, ect.

This was a huge part of the Russian Revolution as several of these groups tended to be a massive pain in the ass for the Russian Bolsheviks, which had to fight them in order to create a united front, and sometimes would have to deal with popular uprisings related to Greenism and Capitalism. All these factions could be added to Red Wars, and used as "popular uprising" factions inside of towns that have been ravaged by conflict and are in a poor and distraught state. These uprisings occur either on their own or with the meddling from other factions.

Wait, what? How do other factions get involved in popular uprisings? Easy. They go in and dead-drop weapon caches for "farmers" to pick up, and bring back into their village. After this, the farmers will begin to arm up the village with weapons that'll be used in a popular uprising. These uprisings take roughly two days to complete, and if they go undisturbed, the city will turn into a "Makeshift Capital" for a new faction based on the ideology that took over. They'll use the standard Anarcho-Capitalist, Anarcho-Green, Anarcho-Socialist flags.. For example... These flags can be used.

These makeshift factions will be able to spawn their own trained mercenary units or other factions can give soldiers to them. Either way works, and overall it gets the job done. The faction they went arry from tends to come back around, and try to squash the revolutionaries before they go about taking over other villages, and forming an anarchist collective which can wage full-out war against the main empire in the hopes of winning in a coup de'at and putting their government in control of the new empire.

This system also brings up another interesting mechanism... Instead of the player going into the army, becoming a rogue lord, or becoming a lord for a certain faction, they can join up with the insurgency as the insurgent leader, and attempt to take over as many cities as they possibly can in order to succeed in a popular revolution! Such a system would provide a new avenue/way to go about playing the game, and it would also make for interesting gameplay as villages could defect and become their own communes against the oppressive rule of their lords.


Soldiers = Individual "Lords"

This is something which has bugged me with Mount and Blade since I played the first game... In my honest opinion, all soldiers/infantry should actually be individuals with their own names, stats, and otherwise. Such a system would mean that instead of having persay... 100 Nordic Snipers, you would have several soldiers with different names, feuds, and otherwise. This would allow for a far more interesting game, as you could have champions within your ranks, and several different soldiers would choose to fight in their own different ways. This also brings up a unique problem though...

If each soldier is their own unique character... How do you go about arming them? Well how it starts off is that you recruit some civilians from a village, and they are armed at first with old hunting rifles, and mismash of clothing. As you fight with them on the battlefield, they arm up with equipment that they pick up off the ground, and therefore become well built soldiers with the guns, armor, and otherwise useful stuff they grab. In order to make up for this, each battle with enemy units above 10 to or 15 people will provide more denars which can be used for the purchase of individual equipment.

This system does not mean that their isn't other system to equip your characters with a similar uniform. You can group certain groups of individuals under a "squad" and you can equip them with a pack of second hand equipment which can be purchased from a fort/city, and this pack of second hand equipment will arm your soldiers with the same weapons, and same uniforms... A bit older equipment though!
Another method to gathering equipment is via entering the variety of villages across the map, and bribing village officials to give you the equipment they are given to defend their cities with. This will cost you a pretty penny, but it'll give you at least some decent equipment.

The last method which exists for arming your troops is a bit... Dodgy. Sometimes, a faction must rearm their forts and villages, and do to this, you can actually see caravans carrying weapons, uniforms, and food to the cities. These can be attacked, and if you are successful in taking over the caravans, your soldiers will upgrade with all the equipment on the caravan.

These methods are few and inbetween, and several other methods exist including the raiding of bandit lairs, capturing revolutionary supply caches, and sometimes simply going into an area where a battle happened and picking up salvaged gear. Everything is possible to arm your soldiers, and get a move on!

Another thing to talk about regarding these guys is that each soldier has their own name, skills, and all that. Meaning that some characters should be armed individually with different weapons. For example if you have someone who is really good with two hands/rifles, you should give them a sniper rifle, and likewise if someone is good with swords, give em' a sword. This type of a system allows you to evoke a great deal of customization with your units, and losing certain troops in the battlefield could actually be damning.


Squads, Squad Leaders, and Morale

This is something which bugs me about Mount n' Blade, but moreso with mods that have guns. Where are the squads? Where are the squad leaders? Why are we all moving in one giant blob? If this mod adds/includes the system I mentioned above, I would love to see a system where I could appoint individuals as squad leaders, and put soldiers under their command. Well that sounds simple enough right? Well that's not the end of it!

Instead of these squads being under my direct command, I'd like to have them lead into battle by an AI which leads them to different areas which they predict as suitable for combat. These squads would have a separate morale system[akin to allies] and when most of their squad is wiped out, they fall back and retreat from the field. Such a system would make battles feel far more dynamic, and it would also allow for specialist groups like mounted cavalry squads to be made out of random individuals, and if these units are wiped out, you lose those specialist. Another thing to take into account is that currently, all battles are giant blob fights... Really boring if you ask me. With these squads, you could have multiple groups taking up different positions around the map, and commands/orders from you to the squads would be on a cooldown based on their range. Meaning that if a squad is going into certain death, and you are 100 meters from them, it'll take thirty seconds to reach you, and therefore they are most likely dead or most of them will be destroyed.

As I have said before, this type of system makes battles less blobish, and also adds an amount of error that can be had for not having proper connections with your other squads.

 

[lordxvile]

Hey guys, sorta new here but I figure this is where I should drop off some of my concepts!

Anarcho-[Ideology] Groups

At the current moment, the Red Wars has a very plain cut faction base... Communist, Fascist, Democracy, and the inbetween Monarchist/Looter factions. All though this is fine for the most part, I have been wondering why the mod team has been somewhat neglecting a huge segment of the Russian/German Revolution history which was when small villages, towns, and otherwise took up arms against all sides, and fought under the banner of ideologies such as Anarcho-Greenism, Anarco-Capitalism, Anarcho-Socialism, ect.

This was a huge part of the Russian Revolution as several of these groups tended to be a massive pain in the ass for the Russian Bolsheviks, which had to fight them in order to create a united front, and sometimes would have to deal with popular uprisings related to Greenism and Capitalism. All these factions could be added to Red Wars, and used as "popular uprising" factions inside of towns that have been ravaged by conflict and are in a poor and distraught state. These uprisings occur either on their own or with the meddling from other factions.

Wait, what? How do other factions get involved in popular uprisings? Easy. They go in and dead-drop weapon caches for "farmers" to pick up, and bring back into their village. After this, the farmers will begin to arm up the village with weapons that'll be used in a popular uprising. These uprisings take roughly two days to complete, and if they go undisturbed, the city will turn into a "Makeshift Capital" for a new faction based on the ideology that took over. They'll use the standard Anarcho-Capitalist, Anarcho-Green, Anarcho-Socialist flags.. For example... These flags can be used.

These makeshift factions will be able to spawn their own trained mercenary units or other factions can give soldiers to them. Either way works, and overall it gets the job done. The faction they went arry from tends to come back around, and try to squash the revolutionaries before they go about taking over other villages, and forming an anarchist collective which can wage full-out war against the main empire in the hopes of winning in a coup de'at and putting their government in control of the new empire.

This system also brings up another interesting mechanism... Instead of the player going into the army, becoming a rogue lord, or becoming a lord for a certain faction, they can join up with the insurgency as the insurgent leader, and attempt to take over as many cities as they possibly can in order to succeed in a popular revolution! Such a system would provide a new avenue/way to go about playing the game, and it would also make for interesting gameplay as villages could defect and become their own communes against the oppressive rule of their lords.


Soldiers = Individual "Lords"

This is something which has bugged me with Mount and Blade since I played the first game... In my honest opinion, all soldiers/infantry should actually be individuals with their own names, stats, and otherwise. Such a system would mean that instead of having persay... 100 Nordic Snipers, you would have several soldiers with different names, feuds, and otherwise. This would allow for a far more interesting game, as you could have champions within your ranks, and several different soldiers would choose to fight in their own different ways. This also brings up a unique problem though...

If each soldier is their own unique character... How do you go about arming them? Well how it starts off is that you recruit some civilians from a village, and they are armed at first with old hunting rifles, and mismash of clothing. As you fight with them on the battlefield, they arm up with equipment that they pick up off the ground, and therefore become well built soldiers with the guns, armor, and otherwise useful stuff they grab. In order to make up for this, each battle with enemy units above 10 to or 15 people will provide more denars which can be used for the purchase of individual equipment.

This system does not mean that their isn't other system to equip your characters with a similar uniform. You can group certain groups of individuals under a "squad" and you can equip them with a pack of second hand equipment which can be purchased from a fort/city, and this pack of second hand equipment will arm your soldiers with the same weapons, and same uniforms... A bit older equipment though!
Another method to gathering equipment is via entering the variety of villages across the map, and bribing village officials to give you the equipment they are given to defend their cities with. This will cost you a pretty penny, but it'll give you at least some decent equipment.

The last method which exists for arming your troops is a bit... Dodgy. Sometimes, a faction must rearm their forts and villages, and do to this, you can actually see caravans carrying weapons, uniforms, and food to the cities. These can be attacked, and if you are successful in taking over the caravans, your soldiers will upgrade with all the equipment on the caravan.

These methods are few and inbetween, and several other methods exist including the raiding of bandit lairs, capturing revolutionary supply caches, and sometimes simply going into an area where a battle happened and picking up salvaged gear. Everything is possible to arm your soldiers, and get a move on!

Another thing to talk about regarding these guys is that each soldier has their own name, skills, and all that. Meaning that some characters should be armed individually with different weapons. For example if you have someone who is really good with two hands/rifles, you should give them a sniper rifle, and likewise if someone is good with swords, give em' a sword. This type of a system allows you to evoke a great deal of customization with your units, and losing certain troops in the battlefield could actually be damning.


Squads, Squad Leaders, and Morale

This is something which bugs me about Mount n' Blade, but moreso with mods that have guns. Where are the squads? Where are the squad leaders? Why are we all moving in one giant blob? If this mod adds/includes the system I mentioned above, I would love to see a system where I could appoint individuals as squad leaders, and put soldiers under their command. Well that sounds simple enough right? Well that's not the end of it!

Instead of these squads being under my direct command, I'd like to have them lead into battle by an AI which leads them to different areas which they predict as suitable for combat. These squads would have a separate morale system[akin to allies] and when most of their squad is wiped out, they fall back and retreat from the field. Such a system would make battles feel far more dynamic, and it would also allow for specialist groups like mounted cavalry squads to be made out of random individuals, and if these units are wiped out, you lose those specialist. Another thing to take into account is that currently, all battles are giant blob fights... Really boring if you ask me. With these squads, you could have multiple groups taking up different positions around the map, and commands/orders from you to the squads would be on a cooldown based on their range. Meaning that if a squad is going into certain death, and you are 100 meters from them, it'll take thirty seconds to reach you, and therefore they are most likely dead or most of them will be destroyed.

As I have said before, this type of system makes battles less blobish, and also adds an amount of error that can be had for not having proper connections with your other squads.

Brilliant ideas mate. Some will be hard to do but I think the devs should have a close look at your ideas.

 

[lordxvile]

Personally, instead of more balion I think there should be a pseudo pre ww2 ideology germany that has a lot of enemies but also good troops. Then a Japan definitely. It would be a huge shame without it. Perhaps as an option, British and French factions aswell.

 

[Matiss_Veinbergs]

Swazi reich - germany

 

[Merzendi]

Personally, instead of more balion I think there should be a pseudo pre ww2 ideology germany that has a lot of enemies but also good troops. Then a Japan definitely. It would be a huge shame without it. Perhaps as an option, British and French factions aswell.

Swazi reich - germany

And pre-WW2 Germany also already exists as Helvetia, iirc.

 

[lordxvile]

Personally, instead of more balion I think there should be a pseudo pre ww2 ideology germany that has a lot of enemies but also good troops. Then a Japan definitely. It would be a huge shame without it. Perhaps as an option, British and French factions aswell.

Swazi reich - germany

And pre-WW2 Germany also already exists as Helvetia, iirc.

Na, I am talking about one with like Pickelhauben and german names. Helvatia is not like Germany to me.

 

[FastWalrus]

*Gasp*, what has been going on while I was gone? So many suggestions in so little time... What seems to be the problem?

 

[FastWalrus]

Dare to say that nothing new found in this mod.So suggestion will be to add era-friendly tournaments and quests.Bar brawls from WF&S and something else.
Buying any faction item in any country,is not cool either.
Item stats can be better too.Equal factions.Hunting rifle is better than many weapons,but it is starting weapon.Other weapons should be better or something,to compensate this.Armor stats should not make such difference in Red Wars,like in Native.I can even suggest a crazy idea to remove protection from them,so we can equip armors just for look.Its not medieval mod,so fur hat and gloves won`t protect you from bullets.
Better variety of items.Armors specifically.Combat armors are "outdated" choice and looks bad.I`m talking about Knight-alike black armor.Replacement for firefighters helmets  as mentioned by others too.
Better interface (textures).
No new factions (in future).I remember "laggs,if we can say so,with other mods.I think you should more concentrate on current factions.


In total would like to see better jokes,and more for non-Vaegir factions,since as far as i have have seen,Vaegirs are main object of jokes.Add comedian in recruitment page.Music is not well suited for gameplay.RA3 main theme is good only for menu.

I am also confused with things such as Whites.Wat? Manhunters replacement is not a good choice.Bad.What`s the point at all,its not realistic mod? The only logical choice for Whites,if we think about same Whites,is being sub faction.Make White claimant for the throne.Even better.Vaegirs should be White empire,and communist character should be claimant.Different flags and titles if possible.Since mod name is Red Wars,it is reasonable to add red revolution.


God bless Calradia,this mod have fast weapon reloads,unlike NW and most mods,so i don`t have to suggest reload speed.

Keep in mind that this mod is still in beta, which means that it's still WIP. Things like tournaments, bar brawls and quests aren't exactly needed right now, so they will be messed around later. It's funny that you mentioned buying any faction item from any faction merchant, because I fixed it in the newest hotfix. You can get it from here! Also I don't recall that the player would start with a hunting rifle, but we'll see. Also trust me, armor doesn't make a difference. Even though I play with the best possible armor I die from 3-5 bullets anyways, 1-2 if it hits the head. What are you talking about "better jokes"? And even though you don't seem to like the music, you're the only one to complain about it so far. Also whites are anti-communist rebels and manhunters haven't been replaced, they've been transformed to bounty hunters, which is pretty much the same thing. Whites are a sub-faction, they're not that developed yet.  White claimant would be cool, I'll maybe do it.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

One thing I would love to see in this mod is a way to turn companion interaction off. There is nothing quite as annoying as having half of your party hate on the other half and run off. I usually tweak that in as soon as I donwload a mod but in the state this is in right now I am frankly scared to.

 

[Matiss_Veinbergs]

Why are the bug reports locked?

 

[ScreamingCommie]

Why are the bug reports locked?

I was editing the first post to say the most updated version was 1.6 with hotfix 1 instead of 1.5, The lock thing got checked by itself for some reason. All better now

 

[Emperor of Calradia]

FastWalrus

Thanks for respond.

By jokes I meant Vodka Men,vodka distillery "description.Haven`t seen everything.In same way you can make Nords to use Deers instead of horses (i already saw Mooses  ,so that won`t surprise me.Youre choice ofcourse.

As for music.I`m not trying to insult modteam taste (or the person who choosed those songs),but they are poorly selected.Again RA3 theme!.Do person who choosed it understand the content of this song? It is good as funny song only,since it is horribly stereotypical.Few are from Fallout.Another bad idea.In general,fine songs,but only if you use them at the right place,and the right place in this situation would be outside game.1920s,communists.Don`t want to sound nerd,but again,Red Wars.Fallout is retrofuturistic U.S.,so we can`t argue that those kind of songs fit in game perfectly.
Songs instead of soundtracks,in my opinion,is doomed idea.Will get annoying fast (that`s what happenned in my gametime).It is not radiostation,but tracks that you will hear everytime in battle etc.Out-of-place song song, that will be played hundreds of times,is kind of bad decision.I hope you will understand.

 

[PPQ_Purple]

I just have to chime in and say that I absolutely categorically disagree with every single word in the above post. The soundtrack for this mod is so good that even though the game crashes when I do stuff like fight I find my self loading the mod up just to listen to it. The combination of communist classics and stuff like the RA theme are just priceless. It is a tribute to communism and all that is right with the world. Don't change a thing.

And no, songs newer get old. Not the kind of songs you are using here.

 

[FastWalrus]

FastWalrus

Thanks for respond.

By jokes I meant Vodka Men,vodka distillery "description.Haven`t seen everything.In same way you can make Nords to use Deers instead of horses (i already saw Mooses  ,so that won`t surprise me.Youre choice ofcourse.

As for music.I`m not trying to insult modteam taste (or the person who choosed those songs),but they are poorly selected.Again RA3 theme!.Do person who choosed it understand the content of this song? It is good as funny song only,since it is horribly stereotypical.Few are from Fallout.Another bad idea.In general,fine songs,but only if you use them at the right place,and the right place in this situation would be outside game.1920s,communists.Don`t want to sound nerd,but again,Red Wars.Fallout is retrofuturistic U.S.,so we can`t argue that those kind of songs fit in game perfectly.
Songs instead of soundtracks,in my opinion,is doomed idea.Will get annoying fast (that`s what happenned in my gametime).It is not radiostation,but tracks that you will hear everytime in battle etc.Out-of-place song song, that will be played hundreds of times,is kind of bad decision.I hope you will understand.

TBH there's only one Fallout song which is a tragic Piano Violin... but if you're referring to Blue Moon, it's NOT FROM FALLOUT, the Blue Moon is meant to be played only when you're in a Balionic city scene, but due to some mysterious bug X, it plays on random. Blue Moon is a classic Swing song by Frank Sinatra which perfectly fits to pseudo-American cities. I will not have further discussion about music since no-one agrees on your stance. Also Nords will not use deer if you're worried about that...