The histrionic medieval gender studies crowd can't handle a debate. They want to claim Medieval society was sexist but want to say that women were accepted as warriors. It makes no sense, you can't debate with someone who has come to their conclusions without any logic. They have been instructed by modern academics to be offended by all of things they view as sexist, history is not safe to alteration. 20 years ago there was no gripe in this area of history, this mantra sprouted up in the last 10 years. It is what it is. Anyone who looks at medieval history knows that women were almost never combatants in warfare. Women in this time period also did not believe it was sexist for them not to fight in wars; again this is also a recent drift in egalitarian views of gender. The "gender is a social construct" argument is an anti western philosophical proposition, that is where this stems from. Most of the kids posting in here don't have enough education (self awareness) to understand this is an ideological battleground.
I suspect you haven't actually met anyone studying women in the medieval period.
For fun, Wearing pink short skirts, often with tights, and heels used to be the height of manly attire. Now a man would be seen as crossdressing if he went out dressed like that.
The fevered rants against academia are always a great start. It's a lot of the reason why places get so messed up, conspiracy theorizing about academics and the blithe dismissal of entire disciplines of study because their assertions or findings don't fit your political beliefs.
Of course, if a fantasy video game offends you then you need help.
Aside from that point, what our society reflects currently is not a spotlight for historical truth. That's my contention. I would never post about this topic if the claims made were not historical assertions that Bannerlord represents the roles of women in the Middle Ages. Because it most certainly does not.
No one except people stuffed with straw think it does.
That's the real issue with this debate. "Those people totally think something" "What people?" "You know 'those' people".
We have a certain picture of medieval times, shaped by movies and stories, which allways show a heavily male dominated world with mostly male heroes. It just doesen't fit our picture of that, to have so many female lords in the game. Sure, it makes female players more compfortable, but lets be honest here, the vast majority of Bannerlord players are male. I probably can't speak for other males here, but if I'm going to play Bannerlord, I want to recreate this medieval world in my head, I want to dive into a world where I can be a powerful king who rides into battle, slaying enemies, dueling other lords to win the favor of a girl, crafting weapons, raiding villages etc. Say whatever you want, those things are heavily associated with manliness and having a bunch of ladies around you, doing those things just feels artificial and wrong for me. I don't want to dive into a world where I'm a politically correct part of a society where every gender is treated equally.
With this kind of argument you could also justify wizards and dragons in Bannerlord.. The game aims to realism, as much as it is possible, while keeping Mount&Blade gameplay concept/experience alive. For keeping it alive, you "have to" give up some of the realism. For example, if only one of ten lords go into battle, the whole gameplay concept/experience wouldn't work at all, so you need to give up on some realism there, to keep the game concept gameplay concept/experience alive. Having many ladies in the game doesen't add anything to the gameplay concept/experience so it is dispensable. Every element that doesen't add to the gameplay concept/experience of Mount&Blade and diminishes the realism, should get eliminated. The game series lives of exactly that maximum realism with a very unique gameplay concept/experience (which only works when forgoing on some realism). This is what makes them so great and differs it from any others.
I mean most people's pictures of the medieval world is utter bull**** though, so I'm not sure why anyone should follow what pop history thinks of medieval worlds. I have seen enough dull brown dirt and **** covered peasants in dull brown villages in games and films to last me a life time man.
It isn't a human axiom, unalterable, that women must be excluded from war or politics. It's how the majority of historic cultures turned out, but, despite the shouts of gender essentialists, it isn't what must happen to a society. Since Bannerlord states are not, actually, a real historic culture, then it is perfectly acceptable that they have a differing cultural values that put less emphasis on gender roles. Not that much less, since, like, every actual warrior is actually a dude, and it's only female nobles in combat
There's not much of a debate. If TW kept gender the way that it was in Warband, then the game would be open to attack on Twitter.
I don't mind having lots of female leaders, it's interesting in a way. But suspension of disbelief is a real thing. There is always a price to pay when you make something distractingly unrealistic. I wish people simply acknowledged this price rather than pretend it doesn't exist.
Twitter, despite the fevered imaginings of certain political leaders, doesn't have politics. Bannerlord is open to attack on twitter by individuals and groups for having too many or too few women by individuals or groups whose politics are against whatever portrayal bannerlord goes with. There's no winning everyone is happy answer. And, honestly, the chuds are the most active review bombers and **** stirrers in the gaming community.
Bannerlord is the events before warband and so that means that all of the female lords in warband lost their rights in the future strange world this isn't about personal beliefs it's about common sense I'm not saying that we shouldn't have any females in the game i'm just saying that personally I think the ratio is too high at the moment they shouldn't have a number of females that you have to scroll the Encyclopedia to count from my understanding if there where female combatants where rare and I just would like the game to reflect that as it would be a way to pay respect as some of us may actually be related to these people and I don't want to see their legacy washed over as if it was a common thing for women to be on the field in those times
This can happen, and in fact did historically.
Also... what people? Whose legacy?
No, because neither sides can have civilized discussion and at most of the cases, both will come out as pretentious and immature: according to the international law of the internet forums, by page 2 or 3, a flame war must begin regardless of the theme.
If Disneyland forums (yes they do exist) literally can't have a discussion about some mundane attraction without delving into mud-slinging, elitism or "good 'ol times" mentality, then why do we expect a relatively mainstream video game forum to have an actual debate about any topic, especially one that is controversial? It's a fool's errand to even try.
But one side supports equal rights and the other doesn't.
Since it's not a historical game and is only based in a world that is vastly similar (but still different) from our real-world medieval society, I don't have a problem with so many warrior women, though I wouldn't have a problem if there were even fewer of them. (my character would feel even more awesome and exclusive because of that), so I don't have any strong opinions about it.
The many is like, a few dozen. All noble women.
Grave findings of women buried with weapons (nobility status items) is not a proof of women fighting in combat. There's no Nordic cultural tradition or historical source anywhere that verifies this claim. That is not science, that is called speculation; or "gender studies" applied to history. This is a recent phenomenon, people did not think this way even 20 years ago in history classes.
Canton= This type of sardonic lunacy tactic is why people can't have a discussion and the threads gets locked. The histrionics club always does this.
Lampooning the "gender realists" for their adherence to "science" is always great fun though.