HugoTheFrenchMan
Grandmaster Knight
Most people tried if you look at any of the original comments and replies but when you push too hard people push back
A question for forum moderators
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NLCRich
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I honestly felt like Musashii was starting to come round just a bit. I mean, still pushing the envelope pretty hard in the mentioned thread, but Musashii actually made some on topic posts in other threads including diplomacy developments, almost as if to make up for past mistakes, and the feedback wasn't so bad. I think there was a realization to some degree that even on the internet a community holds people accountable. Yet, the total meltdown after the thread was locked, as well as the moving into this one to cause further issues, is undoubtedly why Musashii was banned, and not the events from that source thread.
I wish Musashii could have come around, but I saw at least a good part of it unfold before the posts were removed. In the end I feel like this person was given a lot of freedom and was allowed to make all the criticism they wanted, in addition to engaging in loads of flaming and baiting, as were others. It wasn't until the line was crossed at the end there that ban was issued and I don't think anyone is to blame for that except the person who crossed the line. Accountability belongs to each for their own actions. Hopefully this person can find some peace and come back to BL when it doesn't upset them so much.
But this is the last I am going to say about this, I don't want to drag this conversation on any further when there are far more pertinent BL related issues, feedback, and suggestions to discuss.
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That would be me who handles responses for that e-mail address, after the original e-mail is discussed amongst our global moderators.
I recall that you're the person who received a trivial 1-point warning with no consequences (those take 4+ points within a month) and proceeded to write us an essay about how that warning "defiled" your previously spotless account. I admit to being unsympathetic to your plight.
I see your manners are as good as ever. I'm not surprised to once again hear you misrepresent my 'essay'.
Which was about the consequences of rough handling moderation, which I would assume you to have a interest in.
Nevertheless, I need not say anything for the fruit of the tree lay already beneath it. @armagan
You made a thread titled "An auto-blocking option was added for single player." where your OP was simply "For the noobs who wanted it (Y)".
Given the heated debates we've observed in the past around auto-blocking, your OP constituted a slight bait and for this you received a minor 1 point warning (which had no consequences and which faded away quickly). Get over it and stop making it seem like we are torturing you in a dungeon, you are not a victim here.
markp27
Sergeant
Looking at this from an outside perspective, and as someone who has experience in being a moderator, I would count both of these parts of your statements as baiting Cri11e.
Definition of a forum:
noun
- 1.
a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
It does seem like heavy handed moderating, even if it is just a 1 point warning. If Cri11e had been given points for trolling people who disagreed with his statement then that would of been a lot more understandable.
Moderators do have the ability to message someone and say to them that the statement they have put up could lead to a warning. Due to the high chance of it leading to a heated discussion and ask the to change it before that happens. This would seem to have been the better option than giving points at the offset.
...it's a single point. It doesn't do anything but get the user's attention. Essentially all it serves is to mark for future reference that the poster was politely tapped on the shoulder and told not to do that again. It isn't worth worrying about.
Furthermore, flamebaiting is against the rules. Discussion does not require flamebait. Bait isn't an argument, it's something meant to piss off someone else and start drama.
Furthermore, flamebaiting is against the rules. Discussion does not require flamebait. Bait isn't an argument, it's something meant to piss off someone else and start drama.
it's literally less than a slap on the wrist.
That's an obtuse and--in my opinion--disingenuous interpretation of "baiting" in this context. The term "baiting" in this context refers exclusively to flamebaiting, which is the act of inciting flaming by posting something unnecessarily provocative or rude for no other purpose. There are plenty of threads he could have used to discuss the autoblock feature earnestly, and there are infinite ways he could have broached the subject in his new thread that did not disrespect or provoke other users. The fact that he created a new thread just to be rude to other users of the forum did merit a moderation response.
As laid out in the rules of the forum, warning points last for one month and there are no restrictions imposed by them until at least 4 points are active at one time. There are further thresholds at 6, 8, 10, 12, and 14 points which correspond to greater restrictions.
I must say, it's ironic to take the position that a moderator must approach a user's problematic post in good faith when it is abundantly clear that the user did not submit that post in good faith in the first place.
markp27
Sergeant
I do not disagree over flame baiting, however one of the moderators on this thread has stated that it was a minor bait which does not put it in that category. I do feel that when you next have a team talk on the rules this needs to be discussed.
As to finding it ironic, I seriously hope that you are joking. Moderators are supposed to be the customer service of forums. everything done with a smile, as you want that customer to buy more products in the future.
You're no customer of mine. None of us are employees, or even compensated for our time here. This is a strictly volunteer gig. We are members of the forum first, just like you, and we are never put upon by TaleWorlds to play nice with users that are creating trouble. We do what we do to keep the community active, not for TaleWorlds' bottom line.
Habut
Sergeant
Sorry but it really isn't at all. If anything I felt like mods have been too soft on some people. I don't think its fair to complain about how "strict" they are. I just randomly saw this thread and l agree with their decisions in those instances.
Hol up, do you get paid for being a forum moderator? Which forum!? Where can I sign up???
markp27
Sergeant
Did I say I got paid for it? Please show me where I said that. I said that moderators are a form of customer service, nothing more than that. If you are not capable of being nice to people without being paid for it, that shows more about your character than it does about anything else.
