Which faith/lack thereof has the best troops?
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Mythos
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Ambalon said:
Wow, thanks for the link! It was great... except the only ****ing thing there about faith troops was a bunch of pictures.
http://swordofdamocles.wetpaint.com/page/Faith+Troops
There was no article for each faith troop, so the only thing there about faith troops was a bunch of pictures. Wow, that sure helps me tell how good they are at fighting. So, anyone know which ones have the best cavalry and who has the best infantry? Or, if there is one, can anyone tell me where I can find the troops' stats in a readable format (i.e, not 512520151650 5250825725027508 0385 523752092)?
duracell
Grandmaster Knight
You can check their stats with the M&B - Unofficial Troop Editor
https://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?cid=3&id=709
My question:
Atheism has only foot faith troops (engineers)
Im with the Sultanate which has only mounted nobles.
Wil I be able to train engineers from the Immortals?
https://www.mbrepository.com/file.php?cid=3&id=709
My question:
Atheism has only foot faith troops (engineers)
Im with the Sultanate which has only mounted nobles.
Wil I be able to train engineers from the Immortals?
Mythos
Regular
Nope. I highly recommend starting over, considering how lack of faith troops=fail. I honestly think they need to give atheism some mounted faith troops, but until then it's just stupid to combine the Sultanate and Atheism. Really, now that I think of it, that's just unfair. Every other choice gives you mounted faith troops. Why shouldn't atheism? Von Mistont, if you see this, can you at least give me some reason why you chose to not give atheism mounted troops?
All the faith troops I've checked are insanely powerful. The Paladins of the One,
the Dark Knights (Void) and the engineers all kick ass. But you do not necessarily
need them to win. Both the Adenan Heavy cavalrymen (commoners) and the
Antarian paladins (noble) are more than a match for the invader in a 1:5 fight,
suffering no casualties to speak of, with proper tactics.
My next game will be with the newest version, I'll play the Marinians, and I will
be running a workers' paradise. I'll pick only laws that benefit the commoners,
and will not use holy or noble troops.
the Dark Knights (Void) and the engineers all kick ass. But you do not necessarily
need them to win. Both the Adenan Heavy cavalrymen (commoners) and the
Antarian paladins (noble) are more than a match for the invader in a 1:5 fight,
suffering no casualties to speak of, with proper tactics.
My next game will be with the newest version, I'll play the Marinians, and I will
be running a workers' paradise. I'll pick only laws that benefit the commoners,
and will not use holy or noble troops.
kgable10
Sergeant
Mythos said:
Well since atheism is not a faith it doesn't make sense for them to have faith troops in the traditional meaning
. Atheism simply denies irrational and anti-constructive thinking in favor of a free thinking society. Giving them special troops at all is already a concession to game balance, although the engineers are kind of ridiculous (how many engineers do you know who walk around in plate armor wielding an unweildy tool). Engineers are, for the most part, nerds (sorry if anyone here is one)Edit: Also, if you associate atheism with scientific achievement (engineers) then it breaks the atmosphere to give them antiquated cavalry. If it were possible for the game engine, it would make more sense to give them wood/metal battlewagons or cannons/artillery, or some variant of these themes
since atheism and engeneers were a "belief" and ppl connected to science and knowledge, perhaps engeneers could have guns? catapults or ballista would be preferable, but that isnt implemented so guns is also a nice idea, or perhaps one insanely good crossbow? just to keep the image of no guns ( I dont like guns in M&B actually)
SanDiego
Knight at Arms
Faith troops is something, that makes choosing the faction somewhat useless. Since in your late game you will be having mostly faiths and nobles waiting to be faiths (will be changed though), you do not need your standart homeland troops. Faiths just run around pwning everything in their reach. Right now I run around with army that consists of 60% devourers and 40% antarian foot nobles (+ foot me 
) and I haven't run into anything I couldn't handle yet. Not cuonting clusters of 4+ centurions.
) and I haven't run into anything I couldn't handle yet. Not cuonting clusters of 4+ centurions.
Give them a unique weapon like a repeating crossbow? I suppose it is possible to implement since guns with more than one shot are available.Arch said:
I don't like the term "Engineer" that much. Engineers do not go about cracking skulls. Most engineers I know would not even be able to lift a hammer and melt away if exposed to direct sunlight. I think it would be better to give them some "professional" name (Master of arms, Brigadeer, Constable) or something more related to lack of faith (Nihilists, Champion of reason, Myth buster...), or a faith in a cause instead of deity: Nationalist, Royalist, or a combination: Royal guard, National guard, Defender of the nation... etc
Personally I prefer one of the latter options.
duracell
Grandmaster Knight
Techpriests!
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
Anyway, I choosed Atheism because I thought thats the only way to get good foot troops, I was wondering about the Old Ones since their mounted faith troops sometimes spawns with two handed axes but the engineers just looks better to break through the siege bottlenecks (and prisoners are always a good thing)
FOR THE EMPEROR!!!
Anyway, I choosed Atheism because I thought thats the only way to get good foot troops, I was wondering about the Old Ones since their mounted faith troops sometimes spawns with two handed axes but the engineers just looks better to break through the siege bottlenecks (and prisoners are always a good thing)
Mythos
Regular
kgable10 said:Mythos said:
Well since atheism is not a faith it doesn't make sense for them to have faith troops in the traditional meaning
Edit: Also, if you associate atheism with scientific achievement (engineers) then it breaks the atmosphere to give them antiquated cavalry. If it were possible for the game engine, it would make more sense to give them wood/metal battlewagons or cannons/artillery, or some variant of these themes
Yes, I'm aware "faith" troops doesn't make sense, but they still need special troops to avoid screwing over people who do that for role playing reasons/real life reasons (although I'm agnostic in real life and I don't really see any issue with playing one of the faiths). And yeah, I kinda agree with the engineer thing. The name doesn't really make sense, although I do like the ideas other people said about either guns (they'd have to be pretty damn primitive) or repeating crossbows/really strong crossbows. Heh, when I first saw an ad for SoD in someone's signature I saw the engineers and thought their hammer was some sort of construction tool for building and running siege engines or something... And I like your idea for the cannons or battlewagons. Who knows, maybe if it's even programmable they could get little mobile archer towers for huge fights.
Irudian
Veteran
I agree that cannos are good, but we can't make the game unrealistic or with an overpowered troop, the faith troops have almost the same skills, the engeneer is the most powerful and great for make money (prisioners) but they cant mount horses, so if we add trebuchets, cannons and other siege engines this shoudn't be with a specific faith but with a specific unit able for all factions (native,SoD and Imperial)
