Elephants would be awesome !!!
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War Camels and Elephants
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This is copied from a post I made in the suggestions Forum. Since nobody was discussing with me there, I'm answering here now.
With the new Skeleton system implemented in Bannerlord, there is little reason to not make more use of it than there currently is. And yet, the only mounts that present a clear deviation from the common horse cavalry are the Camels, which as far as I can tell aren't used in any major way by anyone, with not even the Aserai having any Camel Riders in their Noble or Commoner troop trees.
As such, I'd like to suggest that more different and Interesting mounts are added to the game to make use of the Skeleton system, and that these mounts in particular be War Elephants and more fleshed-out Camels added to the Aserai troop rosters.The Logic behind this is that currently, the Aserai don't really fill a concrete role due to none of their units really being exceptional, with them most closely resembling something like another generalist faction akin to the Empire. With the addition of proper war Camels and Elephants to their rosters, their specialty could easily become being the faction bringing exotic beasts to the table that utterly break the mold of Calradian continental warfare.
Camels, well, they should just kinda be what the noble line of the Aserai generally uses in my opinion. There should just be more of them around. What's the point of having them if you barely ever see them being used by anyone in the game?
Elephants in particular however, could also open the route towards mounts with multiple riders/multiple crew members. As such, Instead of them being tied to one of the lines, they should be available to be bought at special vendors or the general market place without any soldiers on top of them. It should then be possible to access a menu in party composition or the inventory which allows the player to select anywhere from 1-6 people, depending on the particular elephant, to be put on top of it and use it as a small mobile fortress. This, coupled with elephants being extraordinarily expensive in respect to how rare they are, should solve most of the naturally arising balancing concerns with most lords only being able to afford no more than perhaps 3 of those Animals. In exchange for this price, the elephants should then be a lot braver than they are in reality to both make them worthwhile and help creating the power fantasy. Breaking hostile infantry lines on top of a giant beast ought to be epic, and they'd make a nice command platform in any case.
At this point I'd like to address some of the criticism I've seen on other similar posts all over the internet with people saying that bannerlord is somehow the wrong time period for this. And well, that's just other nonsense. Bannerlord isn't reality, and many of the reasons for why war elephants became less and less used in European and medieval warfare just don't, or don't need to, exist. There is no reason for elephants necessarily having to be as cowardly as they are in reality, Gun powder weapons don't exist yet, and they don't need to be extinct in Aserai lands, with the extinction of the North African and Middle eastern elephant species' being the ultimate main reason for why they stopped being used in Mediterranean warfare as early as they were.
With the new Skeleton system implemented in Bannerlord, there is little reason to not make more use of it than there currently is. And yet, the only mounts that present a clear deviation from the common horse cavalry are the Camels, which as far as I can tell aren't used in any major way by anyone, with not even the Aserai having any Camel Riders in their Noble or Commoner troop trees.
As such, I'd like to suggest that more different and Interesting mounts are added to the game to make use of the Skeleton system, and that these mounts in particular be War Elephants and more fleshed-out Camels added to the Aserai troop rosters.The Logic behind this is that currently, the Aserai don't really fill a concrete role due to none of their units really being exceptional, with them most closely resembling something like another generalist faction akin to the Empire. With the addition of proper war Camels and Elephants to their rosters, their specialty could easily become being the faction bringing exotic beasts to the table that utterly break the mold of Calradian continental warfare.
Camels, well, they should just kinda be what the noble line of the Aserai generally uses in my opinion. There should just be more of them around. What's the point of having them if you barely ever see them being used by anyone in the game?
Elephants in particular however, could also open the route towards mounts with multiple riders/multiple crew members. As such, Instead of them being tied to one of the lines, they should be available to be bought at special vendors or the general market place without any soldiers on top of them. It should then be possible to access a menu in party composition or the inventory which allows the player to select anywhere from 1-6 people, depending on the particular elephant, to be put on top of it and use it as a small mobile fortress. This, coupled with elephants being extraordinarily expensive in respect to how rare they are, should solve most of the naturally arising balancing concerns with most lords only being able to afford no more than perhaps 3 of those Animals. In exchange for this price, the elephants should then be a lot braver than they are in reality to both make them worthwhile and help creating the power fantasy. Breaking hostile infantry lines on top of a giant beast ought to be epic, and they'd make a nice command platform in any case.
At this point I'd like to address some of the criticism I've seen on other similar posts all over the internet with people saying that bannerlord is somehow the wrong time period for this. And well, that's just other nonsense. Bannerlord isn't reality, and many of the reasons for why war elephants became less and less used in European and medieval warfare just don't, or don't need to, exist. There is no reason for elephants necessarily having to be as cowardly as they are in reality, Gun powder weapons don't exist yet, and they don't need to be extinct in Aserai lands, with the extinction of the North African and Middle eastern elephant species' being the ultimate main reason for why they stopped being used in Mediterranean warfare as early as they were.
Antaeus
Squire
I'd just like there to be somewhere to actually buy camels at this stage. I see a lot of camel hardware in shops, but I can only ever get them through luck by killing the occasional Jawwal.
Maybe I've missed something...
Agreed. It's fantasy. Yes fantasy based on reality and without magicians or dragons. But fantasy all the same. They can add what ever they like.
Maybe I've missed something...
Agreed. It's fantasy. Yes fantasy based on reality and without magicians or dragons. But fantasy all the same. They can add what ever they like.
Earth Dragon
Sergeant
I assume Camel Saddles have “bolt” status right now: there are different skins, they all have the same stats.
I’m definitely one of the biggest advocates that camels need to be added to the market in all capacities. They’re weak inclusion in the game at this stage needs to be remedied at some point
I’m definitely one of the biggest advocates that camels need to be added to the market in all capacities. They’re weak inclusion in the game at this stage needs to be remedied at some point
I would not make Aserai nobles using camels, they seem to be more a tribal affair, like for the Jawwals. Camels should appear. for sale and there should be a kind of armored saddle
I would really like to see war elephants, I always liked them, but best added with a special south-eastern faction on the far right of the map. I does not seem fitting to give them to the Aserai in their desert like space. Elephants could also be special very high prized mercenaries.
I would really like to see war elephants, I always liked them, but best added with a special south-eastern faction on the far right of the map. I does not seem fitting to give them to the Aserai in their desert like space. Elephants could also be special very high prized mercenaries.
chepox2004
Recruit
camels in game , are so small sized that is ridiculous , they should be way more bigger
veronicaaltoids
Regular
We already got camels in the game, however i don't see any "war Camels" with Armour?
I've spent some time in the game to get these beasts, none of them had any armour and could not be defined as war camels.
if there is I would like to know how and where to get them.
Next is Elephants, I think that this is something we are missing, yes they are slow, and that could be the penalty for having them in your army, but they are also a force multiplier if you had some.
why you want to ride camel?? they are too slow, they probably only good use in dessert because horse can't sustain in dessert
elephants?? you crazy?? riding slow huge gigantic animal like that you are just a moving arrow shooting target
khauzait horse riders will shoot you down in seconds
In real war battle, horse will be scared of elephants because of large scale animal, but in this game , there's no such thing of "fear"
There is morale for troops though, and elephants could easily make morale drop for enemy troops. I don't think there is a distinction in this gmae between what a horse wants and how its rider steers it, meaning if the riders morale drops, the unit will flee.
Not sure about historical plausability, but I can imagine seeing big animal units like elephants and armored war camels in BL's battle engine looking and feeling great.
veronicaaltoids
Regular
like this flaming camel?? hahah
Flaming Camel
The Flaming Camel is the second unique unit of the Tatars in Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition. It is a mounted Petard that can be trained at the Castle in the Imperial Age once Timurid Siegecraft is researched. The Flaming Camel has the appearance of a Bactrian Camel carrying heaps of straw...
ageofempires.fandom.com
I can't remember the name of battle, but i read somewhere in a historical battle, one army with elephant troops, so the other army use flaming camel or flaming horse and charge on elephant, the elephant got scalred and turn around and stramp on friendly troops
that would be cool though
like this flaming camel?? hahah
Flaming Camel
The Flaming Camel is the second unique unit of the Tatars in Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition. It is a mounted Petard that can be trained at the Castle in the Imperial Age once Timurid Siegecraft is researched. The Flaming Camel has the appearance of a Bactrian Camel carrying heaps of straw...
I can't remember the name of battle, but i read somewhere in a historical battle, one army with elephant troops, so the other army use flaming camel or flaming horse and charge on elephant, the elephant got scalred and turn around and stramp on friendly troops
that would be cool though
Rome Total War (yes the first one) taught me it was burning pigs.
veronicaaltoids
Regular
burning pigs is call bacon, lol pigs are too stupid to charge to enemy
enemy probaly will be happy to take free bbq pork and have big meals
As usual, Wikipedia is your friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_pig
Never heard of flaming horses however. Your thought that horses or camels are more intelligent than pigs, or intelligence has something to do at all with running around when in flames, is funny btw.
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