Vietnamese weapons
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Sorry man, but I can say those pictures above are complete wrong will little/no knowlegde about Vietnamese medieval's weapons and armours.
1. Vietnamese swords are curved sword like Japanese katana mostly. Not strainge ones like Chinese sword.
2. Vietnamese armor in 11th~13th century look like Indian/Champa's armors, since 13th century after Mongol invasion. Vietnamese soldiers begin wear chainmails.
3. Vietnamese heavy cavalry not let the horse unarmoured, they're more like cataphract with both cavalry man and horsed armoured.
4. The leaf hat in 4th picture only appear in late 19th century at the poorest era in Vietnam history.
5. Vietnamese soldiers mostly have armors, not like all these pictures. The lowest rank soldier at least has leather armor, higher has mirror plate over his leather armor, the backbone armies's soldier has chainmail under his leather armor, the "iron cavalry", imperial guards and "iron breakers" (elite vanguard) wear chainmail + metal scalde/plate armor while the generals mostly wear full plate armor.
6. Annamese is rude word to call Vietnamese.
1. Vietnamese swords are curved sword like Japanese katana mostly. Not strainge ones like Chinese sword.
2. Vietnamese armor in 11th~13th century look like Indian/Champa's armors, since 13th century after Mongol invasion. Vietnamese soldiers begin wear chainmails.
3. Vietnamese heavy cavalry not let the horse unarmoured, they're more like cataphract with both cavalry man and horsed armoured.
4. The leaf hat in 4th picture only appear in late 19th century at the poorest era in Vietnam history.
5. Vietnamese soldiers mostly have armors, not like all these pictures. The lowest rank soldier at least has leather armor, higher has mirror plate over his leather armor, the backbone armies's soldier has chainmail under his leather armor, the "iron cavalry", imperial guards and "iron breakers" (elite vanguard) wear chainmail + metal scalde/plate armor while the generals mostly wear full plate armor.
6. Annamese is rude word to call Vietnamese.
sorry man...the pictures above are still accurate don't forget that they are dated from an earlier period, while most of the items
shown in this thread are from a later era and most of them where post Renaissance.
you can add them to all the information you have already gathered. Accurate what? lolz. Accurate like leaf hat in 4th picture only appear in 19th century but you call 10~16th century? lolz
The idiot artist just use Chinese to draw Vietnamese with zero knowlegde of Vietnamese history.
1. Vietnamese swords are curved sword like Japanese katana mostly. Not strainge ones like Chinese sword.
2. Vietnamese armor in 11th~13th century look like Indian/Champa's armors, since 13th century after Mongol invasion. Vietnamese soldiers begin wear chainmails.
3. Vietnamese heavy cavalry not let the horse unarmoured, they're more like cataphract with both cavalry man and horsed armoured.
4. The leaf hat in 4th picture only appear in late 19th century at the poorest era in Vietnam history.
5. Vietnamese soldiers mostly have armors, not like all these pictures. The lowest rank soldier at least has leather armor, higher has mirror plate over his leather armor, the backbone armies's soldier has chainmail under his leather armor, the "iron cavalry", imperial guards and "iron breakers" (elite vanguard) wear chainmail + metal scalde/plate armor while the generals mostly wear full plate armor.
6. Annamese is rude word to call Vietnamese.
Accurate like you said like this, lolz
Correct Vietnamese sword in 14th century
Wrong concept from dumbass artist
And, those stupid picture come from an old web game, not even a document or historical books. Thus it no match to any of my infomation in this topic.
The idiot artist just use Chinese to draw Vietnamese with zero knowlegde of Vietnamese history.
1. Vietnamese swords are curved sword like Japanese katana mostly. Not strainge ones like Chinese sword.
2. Vietnamese armor in 11th~13th century look like Indian/Champa's armors, since 13th century after Mongol invasion. Vietnamese soldiers begin wear chainmails.
3. Vietnamese heavy cavalry not let the horse unarmoured, they're more like cataphract with both cavalry man and horsed armoured.
4. The leaf hat in 4th picture only appear in late 19th century at the poorest era in Vietnam history.
5. Vietnamese soldiers mostly have armors, not like all these pictures. The lowest rank soldier at least has leather armor, higher has mirror plate over his leather armor, the backbone armies's soldier has chainmail under his leather armor, the "iron cavalry", imperial guards and "iron breakers" (elite vanguard) wear chainmail + metal scalde/plate armor while the generals mostly wear full plate armor.
6. Annamese is rude word to call Vietnamese.
Accurate like you said like this, lolz
Correct Vietnamese sword in 14th century
Wrong concept from dumbass artist
And, those stupid picture come from an old web game, not even a document or historical books. Thus it no match to any of my infomation in this topic.
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A small note on the "Leaf Hat", it actually is a misconception.
I think it's mainly due to the low quality of the black & white photograph in 19th century that it looks like paper or leaf in the modern eyes. A poorly reconstruction of such hats used in ceremony in Vietnamese modern times also contributed to the confusion as well.
In fact, the helmet was made of steel and beautifully decorated with bronze.
A recent contribution of said helmet to the state museum (it was kept as a family heirloom for generations) which belonged to a provincial guard surprised due to the details of decoration and the materials of the helmet.
I will try to find the picture to show it here.
I think it's mainly due to the low quality of the black & white photograph in 19th century that it looks like paper or leaf in the modern eyes. A poorly reconstruction of such hats used in ceremony in Vietnamese modern times also contributed to the confusion as well.
In fact, the helmet was made of steel and beautifully decorated with bronze.
A recent contribution of said helmet to the state museum (it was kept as a family heirloom for generations) which belonged to a provincial guard surprised due to the details of decoration and the materials of the helmet.
I will try to find the picture to show it here.
Modern "Leaf Hat" from Nguyễn Dynasty.
BTW, 1800s Vietnamese soldier, drawn by Western artists.
BTW, 1800s Vietnamese soldier, drawn by Western artists.
nationalism...so ignorantly blind...Panzercracker said:Wrong concept from dumbass artist
And, those stupid picture come from an old web game, not even a document or historical books. Thus it no match to any of my infomation in this topic.
they miss out on these pics...
Once again, those for old web game with poor knowlegde artist. So stop use misconcept picture in this topic. You not even show any historical document or relics and keep sayng those are accuracy and me is nationalism...so ignorantly blind.
If you don't want give contructive document, just get out with your inaccurate picture from that game.
If you don't want give contructive document, just get out with your inaccurate picture from that game.
A rare picture is draw by a Yuan artist about Retired Emperor's escort of Dai Viet in early 14th century. A group of officers at the left carry curve blades and group of soldier carry staff mace on the right edge.
Original link with bigger size (too big for post on here.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Zh%C3%BAl%C3%ADn_d%C3%A0_sh%C3%AC_ch%C5%ABsh%C4%81n_t%C3%BA.jpg
13th century Dai Viet helmet
Original link with bigger size (too big for post on here.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Zh%C3%BAl%C3%ADn_d%C3%A0_sh%C3%AC_ch%C5%ABsh%C4%81n_t%C3%BA.jpg
13th century Dai Viet helmet
Bohemond Chesne
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Panzercracker said:
Much as I dislike the artists work, it is worth at least aknowledging that chinese style sword styles have been popular in vietnam on occasion if not the norm.
http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s711%20s712_full.html
The reason is not many people know or have Vietnamese weapon pictures, so most of people come to see but can't post more picture, if they just come and say "it's nice", "good", look like they're spamming.
BTW, a 18~19th century Nguyễn soldier's hat
Chinese sword is popular in Vietnam, because during Vietnam War, Kung Fu novels of Chinese is spread wide in Vietnam, thus modern Vietnamese mistake that tradition Vietnamese sword is look like Chinese sword.
And the important that few Vietnamese even care to come to history museum, while tradition Vietnamese swords are showed there in a lot of numbers.
BTW, a 18~19th century Nguyễn soldier's hat
Bohemond Chesne said:Panzercracker said:
Much as I dislike the artists work, it is worth at least aknowledging that chinese style sword styles have been popular in vietnam on occasion if not the norm.
http://www.swordsantiqueweapons.com/s711%20s712_full.html
Chinese sword is popular in Vietnam, because during Vietnam War, Kung Fu novels of Chinese is spread wide in Vietnam, thus modern Vietnamese mistake that tradition Vietnamese sword is look like Chinese sword.
And the important that few Vietnamese even care to come to history museum, while tradition Vietnamese swords are showed there in a lot of numbers.
It is rattan with iron point head on the top of hat.
1850s Late Nguyễn Era Vietnamese soldiers (become more like Manchu China so much), lolz
Compare to the Early Nguyễn Era Vietnamese soldier, no wonder why Nguyễn Dynasty lose to France too quickly.
Compare to the Early Nguyễn Era Vietnamese soldier, no wonder why Nguyễn Dynasty lose to France too quickly.
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