Star Wars: The Last Jedi

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I know is a little bit cynical/black humor, but can you imagine those scriptwriters desperation
when they realized they have killed two of the most important characters they had at their disposal, Hamill and Serkis, and left alive a character whose actress ACTUALLY died shortly after filming?
I mean, they even had to include that ridiculous scene in which Leia supermans through space.  :lol:
I've read that they are not going to reproduce Carrie Fisher in CGI, to respect the dead, or rather, to respect fans' oversensitivity (is CGI resurrection less disrespectful when done to Peter Cushing, which is not anyone's beloved princess? What a load of hypocritical bull.)
 
Well I think that decision was made after Rogue One came out and people realized how unnerving it was to have a CGI actor in full view of other characters. Fake Tarkin was definitely on the lower curve of the uncanny valley and it's for the best that they aren't trying it again, and I don't even particularly care about "respect for the dead" or any of that, it just looks really weird.
 
I don't know, the CGI actually faked me. If I hadn't know the actor was dead, I wouldn't have noticed the trick. But I understand I'm pretty lonely in this.  :lol:

Anyway, how un-weird do you think it will feel to have Leia, arguably one of the most important characters, dying off screen? I can't even imagine the utter desperation those screenwriters must have faced/are facing. My sympathy for them is so strong that I would accept the opening text-column breaking the fourth wall with something like "Carrie Fisher is dead, you know it, end of the story", but I suppose they are not going to proceed that way. :grin:
 
Honestly they could have probably just re-edited the film to have her die when the bridge was shot up. Like many other characters her presence is entirely superfluous.
 
Moose! said:
43:05 feels very relevant to our disagreement.  :lol:
Yeah, that was why I hastily reworded my statement to say I was fine with some aspects of that, but the whole lot feels a little much. :lol:

Moose! said:
I wonder if my complete ignorance of anything related to Disney's Marvel's Cinematic UniverseTM in the past 10 years makes me less jaded when it comes to the Disney formula - maybe that is why some of the humor was able to land better with me, personally?
Dunno about that. I stopped watching the Marvel movies after Ant-Man, I think, and only went to the second Guardians of the Galaxy because a bunch of friends were going (and I'd seen the first). The new Guardians movie didn't convince me I'm missing out, and I didn't really find it very funny, so maybe there is a Disney formula, and maybe TLJ is following it (RLM mentioned that, but I hadn't thought of it myself), but I don't know.
 
Vermillion_Hawk said:
Well I think that decision was made after Rogue One came out and people realized how unnerving it was to have a CGI actor in full view of other characters. Fake Tarkin was definitely on the lower curve of the uncanny valley and it's for the best that they aren't trying it again, and I don't even particularly care about "respect for the dead" or any of that, it just looks really weird.
I think it would be even more jarring in this case, as having live action Leia and CGI Leia in the same trilogy, with only 2 years apart, would be too inconsistent. No matter how well they could pull it off, you wouldn't be able to watch the films back to back without noticing her look and voice is off. Especially considering Leia is a more major character than Tarkin, and would undoubtedly have more screen time.
 
I found myself wondering what's to stop another evil empire to replace the First Order after the next film.

Edit: That guy's talkin' **** about the Vader scene in Rogue One? lol gtfo you *****
 
JACVBHINDS // 寒心420? said:


If anything this film has got people talking about something I've been saying (and trying to articulate) for years about star wars, and films in general.


Oh god, that's what I went to see the movie for. People feeling personally offended by a movie they didn't like ranting endlessly on youtube or in comments. Tons of fun.

I was actually pretty disappointed by the fact that I didn't hate the movie (can't do worst that "Rogue One", I guess), hearing the ranting would have been funnier.
 
I knew Snoke was a joke, but the whole "I feel him moving the lightsaber towards his enemy" thing has convinced me that whoever did the writing isn't even taking their own script seriously.
It's like they're out of villains now: they got Kylo Ren and Commander Weasel as the only ones left.

It felt like the best fan film I've ever seen.
 
My friends warned me that this is the worst Star Wars movie up to date. Well, it wasn't. 2/5.

Scriptwriters were extremely bad and the plot was abysmal even by SW standards. Some nice scenes. Lots of merchandise and twelve ****ing tons of Jar Jar peers. Hamill is pure meme. Leia is insufferable. Finn successfully keeps the tradition from VII in having no character and no role in the movie. Poe is pure meme. Rey looks great and has a beautiful face which is probably the reason there are so many close-ups. Mrs. Making Box Office at Chinese Market's pairing with Finn works wonderfully as they are both bland and pointless. Admiral Purplehead is the only good new character. Sicario guy was awful. Monaco was awful. Hux was god awful. Phasma omg rofl. Imperial military proficiency was downgraded and makes Endor looks like a masterfully executed operation. Star Destroyers were nerfed to oblivion. Rebel bombers op as hell. May have to do with the Destroyers' nerf. Half of the actors look like they don't want to be in the movie. There is not another Death Star (only the tractor beam plot), which is nice.
 
BenKenobi said:
My friends warned me that this is the worst Star Wars movie up to date. Well, it wasn't. 2/5.

Scriptwriters were extremely bad and the plot was abysmal even by SW standards. Some nice scenes. Lots of merchandise and twelve **** tons of Jar Jar peers. Hamill is pure meme. Leia is insufferable. Finn successfully keeps the tradition from VII in having no character and no role in the movie. Poe is pure meme. Rey looks great and has a beautiful face which is probably the reason there are so many close-ups. Mrs. Making Box Office at Chinese Market's pairing with Finn works wonderfully as they are both bland and pointless. Admiral Purplehead is the only good new character. Sicario guy was awful. Monaco was awful. Hux was god awful. Phasma omg rofl. Imperial military proficiency was downgraded and makes Endor looks like a masterfully executed operation. Star Destroyers were nerfed to oblivion. Rebel bombers op as hell. May have to do with the Destroyers' nerf. Half of the actors look like they don't want to be in the movie. There is not another Death Star (only the tractor beam plot), which is nice.

...and this wasn't the worst.  :lol:
Would be curious to read your review for the worst SW movie then!
 
BenKenobi said:
In the name of objectivity: 3/10 and **** you. Throrough review of why that movie utterly sucked will come once I get some sleep. The ****er who was in charge of cutting should watch more old Star Wars, more Leone movies, more Alien and less Avengers and less trailers. The only possible saving grace is if all this piece of turd of a movie is a build-up for the next one, because nearly all the characters (who actually are in the movie, so no female Stormtrooper and no blonde Hitler) are interesting and generally enjoyable.

Jesus ****ing christ, I may even get to say I liked the prequels better.
BenKenobi said:
There are two main issues I have with the movie - length and plot. Both of those are collosal ****-ups that simply do not allow the movie to be classified as good.

With the plot, there is an issue with the movie failing to decide whether it wants to be a sequel or a remake. You have Star Wars at your disposal. You even discarded EU so you can do pretty much anything you want! You can do any story, change narrative style, anything you wish! But no, you decide to do a remake of the New Hope. And infinitely worse. But yeah. Rebel Alliance? Check. Desert planet farmer? Check. Destruction of Alderaan? Check. Your father's lightsaber? Check. Ben Kenobi dies? Check. Luke surprisingly meets Biggs? Check.Death Star trench run? Check. Last second to complete destruction of the Good? Check. Darth Vader miraculously surviving? Check.

This makes the plot rather predictable and in some cases even laughable. Like when they rehire the engineer who made the Death Star to design a planetary installation and he makes the same bloody mistake for the third time and it is crystal clear what the rest of the movie will look like. New Hope at least had the Miss and Han Saves the Day which are both nice twists.

But this is still not a fatal issue. What, however, is, is the dynamics of the movie and cutting. The film is a non-stop action where there is always something quick happening on screen. There is neary not a single place where the film is slower than in the rest. The most obvious example is when Han is lecturing them on the Falcon. It could have been a good slow-paced scene with a lot of explaining done, similar to its Your Father's Lightsaber scene in the New Hope, but for some reason it is cut like an action movie and there is absolutely nonsensical gag with holochess, that turns the pacing into even bigger crap. Or look at the New Hope's build-up for the final battle. It is very slow with nearly no music, basically hangar starship porn and final talks between characters, but it is slow. In The Force Awakens, this scene is super quick, dynamic and generally resembles something out of a JAG. Then A New Hope has long shot on X-Wing fleet, then starts all the S-foils locking and when the action starts with that dive, the music starts and everything, and you know the **** has just became real. The Force Awakens has the same dynamic in Brainstorming scene, Hangar Scene and The Battle scene. And every other scene except for some exceptions. And - the starting 15 minutes with Rey scavenging, that are almost flawless imho. Speaking of, everything that happens on Jakku is kinda okay. Everything past that is ****.

Then there are those incredible odds - okay, we stole the Millenium Falcon, 10 minutes later ran into Han, 20 minutes later casually found Luke's lightsaber (in a pirate chest in a random pub...okay) and 10 minutes later the Empire attacks.

What is good about the movie are the characters - Rey is Han+Luke in one character which is kinda nice. Finn is kinda okay and interesting; what I, however, don't see is his place in the movie. Like, why is he there? Kylo Ren is also good, but! But there should have been some bigger villain to compensate Kylo's incompetence. And Secretary General Smoke will not do, because of how cartoonish he is, lack of explanation of his motives and limited appearance. Space Hitler Hux has about the same time as Piett, but Piett is not needed, because his movies have Vader and the Emperor due that is sufficient as far as bad guys are concerned. Han? Okay, his death is badly executed, but his character makes sense.

Plotholes and script stupidities are large, but not as destructive as the pacing. The Brainstorming scene is probably the most idiotic - "okay, we have this Death Star schematics, what will we do? Hmm, there is this thing we can blow up to blow everything up. Hmm, okay, but it is protected by a shield. I know how to disable shield. Okay, all settled then. Let's go to your fighters!" Another could be lowering the shield that is done not by Return of a Jedi's explosion, but by Silver Stormtrooper's computer click. And not a single man on the planet can detect and override this. Sucks to be the Empire.

I would have gladly given it 7/10 if it would have just the pacing corrected. Like, I don't need 2001 speed, but this is ridiculous.

Oh, and I very much liked the sword fights.

Dislaimer: technically, Holiday Special is the worst.
 
Bombing like that was extremely dangerous for the bombers' crews in WWII already, I wonder why they implemented such retarted bombing tactic based on gravity or magnetism (as this movie's apologists say) and such retarded aircraft in a sci-fi laser soundspeed space war.
 
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