Komnenos
Sergeant at Arms
Organon of Logic
Scholastic quest - general idea and storyline
Scholasticism was a newer Christian method of learning introduced through XII-XIII cent following the works of Anslem de Canterbury after the rediscovery of ancient works of Aristotle. Best names in that philosophy tradition and school were also Maimonides, Avicena, Averroes, Albertus Magnus, Bonaventure, Pierre Abelard, Pierre Lombard, Robert Grosseteste, Roscelin, Thomas Aquinas. They believed in empiricism and supported Roman Catholic doctrines through secular study, reason and logic. They opposed mysticism and Augustinian beliefs.
This adventure implies the evolution of the medieval mind as an early rennaissance of greek thought througth arab translations. It turned to be quite popular way of combining academic way of thinking/research and the official ecclesiastical dogma of the clergy. Scholasticism is widely based on the intellectual tradition of ancient works of Aristotle and Plato. Organon is the name given by Aristotle's followers, the Peripatetics, to the standard collection of his six works on LOGIC. Retrieving these manuscripts would not tolerated by The Church as it reveals that Mastermind was present even before the Savior came to birth. Moreover, it takes place during the Great Schism and everything coming from East was considered heretic and arabic. But completing this quest could be a prerequisite for the writing of Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica - the fundamental work that made a compromise and eventually saved the Papism and clergy till Luther published some questionnaires... Aquinas developed a philosophy of mind by writing that the mind was at birth a tabula rasa ("blank slate") that was given the ability to think and recognize forms or ideas through a divine spark.
The quest is focused on western cultures and their evolution based on eastern traditions.The translation of ancient texts was an activity that engaged the best minds of this generation.
Quest specification and requirements
The message exceeds the maximum allowed length (40000 characters already, 24.03.2012, so I will re-post the quest steps as new messages...
Plot#1 Roman scholastics
Plot#2 Almohad scholars
Quest Reward
PS: As these are only propositions I really hope that they are actually executable in game code...Bear in mind that I am a big fan of your mod and strongly desire that e1200 emerges as the best mod ever.
Scholastic quest - general idea and storyline
Scholasticism was a newer Christian method of learning introduced through XII-XIII cent following the works of Anslem de Canterbury after the rediscovery of ancient works of Aristotle. Best names in that philosophy tradition and school were also Maimonides, Avicena, Averroes, Albertus Magnus, Bonaventure, Pierre Abelard, Pierre Lombard, Robert Grosseteste, Roscelin, Thomas Aquinas. They believed in empiricism and supported Roman Catholic doctrines through secular study, reason and logic. They opposed mysticism and Augustinian beliefs.
This adventure implies the evolution of the medieval mind as an early rennaissance of greek thought througth arab translations. It turned to be quite popular way of combining academic way of thinking/research and the official ecclesiastical dogma of the clergy. Scholasticism is widely based on the intellectual tradition of ancient works of Aristotle and Plato. Organon is the name given by Aristotle's followers, the Peripatetics, to the standard collection of his six works on LOGIC. Retrieving these manuscripts would not tolerated by The Church as it reveals that Mastermind was present even before the Savior came to birth. Moreover, it takes place during the Great Schism and everything coming from East was considered heretic and arabic. But completing this quest could be a prerequisite for the writing of Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica - the fundamental work that made a compromise and eventually saved the Papism and clergy till Luther published some questionnaires... Aquinas developed a philosophy of mind by writing that the mind was at birth a tabula rasa ("blank slate") that was given the ability to think and recognize forms or ideas through a divine spark.
The quest is focused on western cultures and their evolution based on eastern traditions.The translation of ancient texts was an activity that engaged the best minds of this generation.
Quest specification and requirements
The quest is organized in six steps, any of which grants you a book of the Aristotle's collection, bonuses and clue how to look for the next one. I think that any of the six step-books should grant some bonus and cause some penalty, as this will not make any of the books look too valuable by itself. But the player should be motivated by the dialogues that retrieving all six of them will summon "a powerfull artifact", The Organon collection. The number 6 (SIX) is diabolique, Aristotle was considered to be too... But the player should be enlightened with a considerable and eternal reward, as knowledge is.
My idea of the quest is to present the Aristotle's gnosticism - every step shall present a book and its level of ideas. So to enlighten the player too. Mystique! The quest will lead the player to a couple of preeminent thinkers and scholars which will add a lot to the immersion of the game mod. These were incredible scholars and polymaths, one of the spiritual fathers of Europe, whose throne the game is about.
The player should have at least 6 free Inventory slots! (nice if we can block and reserve them for books till quest is over).
Quest log should keep a constant record of the number of books retrieved as well as their numeric order.
The player should have at least 6 Inteligence points which should mean fair basic knowledge of Latin, universal during that age!
My idea with Apocrypha implies high intelligence of Character or greek interpreting Companion (Basileos Akritas). With Organon quest it may be omitted as it turns to be a longer quest. But it is not unwise - these books were already translated by arab almohad scholars and were circulating in Europe, especially as the Library of Toledo had been taken by Castillians without burning it to the ground on May 25, 1085.
My idea of the quest is to present the Aristotle's gnosticism - every step shall present a book and its level of ideas. So to enlighten the player too. Mystique! The quest will lead the player to a couple of preeminent thinkers and scholars which will add a lot to the immersion of the game mod. These were incredible scholars and polymaths, one of the spiritual fathers of Europe, whose throne the game is about.
The player should have at least 6 free Inventory slots! (nice if we can block and reserve them for books till quest is over).
Quest log should keep a constant record of the number of books retrieved as well as their numeric order.
The player should have at least 6 Inteligence points which should mean fair basic knowledge of Latin, universal during that age!
My idea with Apocrypha implies high intelligence of Character or greek interpreting Companion (Basileos Akritas). With Organon quest it may be omitted as it turns to be a longer quest. But it is not unwise - these books were already translated by arab almohad scholars and were circulating in Europe, especially as the Library of Toledo had been taken by Castillians without burning it to the ground on May 25, 1085.
Plot#1 Roman scholastics
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This could be an alternative trigger for the quest - if the player never enters Hereford/Oxford. The first almohad lord the player meets can send you to this settlement, ibn Batuta al-Arabi may do this too. Or even act as master Grosseteste and give you the same dialogue and the first book.
Actually this quest affects the western christian and universally catholic world. It is about the scholastic and ecclestic changes that occurred in that period and implies that the catholics made these changes. Anyway, I suggest that this is a strictly catholic quest - so if someday is applicable that you choose your faith the quest should be active if only the player is a catholic by birth.
Actually this quest affects the western christian and universally catholic world. It is about the scholastic and ecclestic changes that occurred in that period and implies that the catholics made these changes. Anyway, I suggest that this is a strictly catholic quest - so if someday is applicable that you choose your faith the quest should be active if only the player is a catholic by birth.
This quest is intended to be an almost permanent unique quest. It is intended to engage a longer period, throughout the whole savegame, as a higher education is. Even when all other mini=quests are finished this one should be present in the log. The player should always have a book to be rad when camping and something to look for in-game. And the reward should be worth it.
Upon collecting and reading all 6 books master Grosseteste should appear once more and in solemnly fashion will offer you the spoils of victory ("I can only hope," he stated, "that others may be stimulated to enquire more deeply and to discover more than I have been able to." ). I suggest that experience and money are granted to the player, but the best acquisition is a little bit different. I suggest obtaining Organon should unlock a player's ability to establish a new city improvement - an university in his fief-city or at any city he prefers. The money the player gets from the quest may be used exactly for this. This Guild of knowledge is going to be named after the player himself ("Jagiellon's University of Krakow, Cruger's University of Augsburg, De Quart University of Zaragoza") and when built will add to city taxes and to player's Right to Rule on a regular basis. The idea for University came as lords were chalenged by the upcoming bourgeosy - so kings established administrative centers to steer this new middle class. Not what really happened later, but actually right historical time to present this establishment - Oxford 1214, Paris 1215 were already operational Universities. So master Grosseteste is going to be the First chancellor to x's University (actually he was the first chancellor of Oxford in 1227) and may give you further quests and taks as any Guildmaster does... but will adress you as "my liege" as university building is a job for Kings... This gets you closer to the Imperator Throne of Europe.
The university may require that you lose this 6 books from inventory. Moreover - you can upgrade it if you donate any books to its library... Just an idea. Almost the same as the one I have about chapels, churches and cathedrals in europe1200mod...
Upon collecting and reading all 6 books master Grosseteste should appear once more and in solemnly fashion will offer you the spoils of victory ("I can only hope," he stated, "that others may be stimulated to enquire more deeply and to discover more than I have been able to." ). I suggest that experience and money are granted to the player, but the best acquisition is a little bit different. I suggest obtaining Organon should unlock a player's ability to establish a new city improvement - an university in his fief-city or at any city he prefers. The money the player gets from the quest may be used exactly for this. This Guild of knowledge is going to be named after the player himself ("Jagiellon's University of Krakow, Cruger's University of Augsburg, De Quart University of Zaragoza") and when built will add to city taxes and to player's Right to Rule on a regular basis. The idea for University came as lords were chalenged by the upcoming bourgeosy - so kings established administrative centers to steer this new middle class. Not what really happened later, but actually right historical time to present this establishment - Oxford 1214, Paris 1215 were already operational Universities. So master Grosseteste is going to be the First chancellor to x's University (actually he was the first chancellor of Oxford in 1227) and may give you further quests and taks as any Guildmaster does... but will adress you as "my liege" as university building is a job for Kings... This gets you closer to the Imperator Throne of Europe.
The university may require that you lose this 6 books from inventory. Moreover - you can upgrade it if you donate any books to its library... Just an idea. Almost the same as the one I have about chapels, churches and cathedrals in europe1200mod...
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