[NA WWC]Season I Champions Edition - Season winners: Balion Mercenaries!!!
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gg's, was fun.
Was overall a terrible weekend for us to do this. Missed many core players, but still fun (I got to try calling a bit
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Was overall a terrible weekend for us to do this. Missed many core players, but still fun (I got to try calling a bit
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Unicorn said:TMW 16-8 KoA, ggs
forgot to take it, sorry
Here's the missing set:
I am not sure what the problem is. If you fully read through the rule, it is very simple.Cradoc said:
After duel, the winners picks a map. This map can either be open/mixed, closed or special category. If the pick is special category, the other team can picked whichever map they wish except special category. Likewise, if the winners pick open/mixed or closed, the other team can pick special category if they so desire.
The special category list is here because those are maps that needs more testing before put into big tournaments like UNAC.
Could you please elaborate on how it makes the duel worthless? The winning team gets to pick the map they wish to play on, and which spawn to use, which can be a great advantage if the opposite team is not experienced with a certain map.CalamityuP said:
I had inquired about the phrase in question as well - I believe I had spoken to either darin or william over steam. The understanding I came to is basically the same as Cradoc's:
This "combining" is the problem. Makes it sound like if the first team picks a map from the special category the classification the chosen map falls under is therefore removed for the second team's pick. So, if my opposing team was to pick Shariz Village for instance (a special map, classified as closed), by this wording I would understand it as meaning that the closed category is not unavailable for me to choose from (I would be left with open/mixed map or a special map classified as open/mixed). It is as though the Special map is "combined" with the established map classes, either open/mixed or closed, based on which group it is projected to fit with.
If this is not the intended meaning, then strongly consider removing "combine it" from the rules and alter it to something like:
"There are three map types available: Open/Mixed, Closed and Special (which includes selections from all categories). Maps chosen from the Special group are still under testing and therefore act separately from their projected parent group (ex. if team 1 chooses Shariz village (projected Closed) from the Special map category, team 2 can still choose from both Open/Mixed AND Closed groups)."
The duel becomes "worthless" because the heart of the advantage with winning the duel is not necessarily picking a specific map but rather it is found in preventing your opponent from picking their desired category. If the meaning is like that posted in the example just above the team who wins the duel cannot effectively block a map type with their first pick. This was one of the main reasons for introducing map-types to begin with - to force teams to play ALL map types and not be able to only bank one style to win. With your understanding, Kohath, teams can effectively play on two maps of the same category during the match.
If the categories were meant to function completely independent of one another (and this was completely clear) I believe a number of the WWC matches may have played out differently. Might have seen some combinations like Solace and Ruins or Verloren and Fort of Honour.
This "combining" is the problem. Makes it sound like if the first team picks a map from the special category the classification the chosen map falls under is therefore removed for the second team's pick. So, if my opposing team was to pick Shariz Village for instance (a special map, classified as closed), by this wording I would understand it as meaning that the closed category is not unavailable for me to choose from (I would be left with open/mixed map or a special map classified as open/mixed). It is as though the Special map is "combined" with the established map classes, either open/mixed or closed, based on which group it is projected to fit with.
If this is not the intended meaning, then strongly consider removing "combine it" from the rules and alter it to something like:
"There are three map types available: Open/Mixed, Closed and Special (which includes selections from all categories). Maps chosen from the Special group are still under testing and therefore act separately from their projected parent group (ex. if team 1 chooses Shariz village (projected Closed) from the Special map category, team 2 can still choose from both Open/Mixed AND Closed groups)."
The duel becomes "worthless" because the heart of the advantage with winning the duel is not necessarily picking a specific map but rather it is found in preventing your opponent from picking their desired category. If the meaning is like that posted in the example just above the team who wins the duel cannot effectively block a map type with their first pick. This was one of the main reasons for introducing map-types to begin with - to force teams to play ALL map types and not be able to only bank one style to win. With your understanding, Kohath, teams can effectively play on two maps of the same category during the match.
If the categories were meant to function completely independent of one another (and this was completely clear) I believe a number of the WWC matches may have played out differently. Might have seen some combinations like Solace and Ruins or Verloren and Fort of Honour.
Does this make it clear?
Ok,what i do not get is why did no one suggest a thing about rules in topics we had?
And if you they were not clear to you,why didn't you contact admin who would have explained it?
I agree that wording is maybe not the best,but afaik majority of teams understood it.And i recall TMW-DoF playing on 2 closed type maps(1 was from Closed category other was from Special category).Maybe there were more scrims like that then just this one.
Ok,now what i especially do not understand is all complaining about Farm.It was put under special category because it was rarely played in scrims.Achilles_TheIV said:
And actually if you look at UNAC 2 rules,you could see Reveran Village(mixed category) and Farm(open category) being played there as well.
So yeah to this post...
You could have always asked us.Me and Kohath have been staying up late and this was one of the reasons.So that you can contact us if you need something clarified.CalamityuP said:
And let's be honest here,this tournament(NA version) was run by only two admins(Kohath and Me) who had to stay up late a LOT in order to be available to teams.
Since no one had complaints about that rule before this scrim and no one suggested a thing about it in topics then for us that was a sign that you understood the rules.The rules which you should not have signed to play under if you thought they were not clear enough.
This is why in sign ups we have question:"Did you read and agree to rules?"
Match was really good and i enjoyed it.
About next NA WWC season,I am not 100% sure we will be holding it.But in case we do,new rules we will be introducing in EU version will be used in NA as well.Rules which will see Duels become way more important.
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